Immigration

[kommisar]

Re: Immigration

I love it when people say "immigrants are taking our jobs" when they're jobs you refuse to do anyways because you devalue a job at say Walmart. Those workers will always be needed but people from here just don't want to do them for obvious reasons.

It's unfortunate that many immigrants are getting the short end of the stick when it comes to good jobs but for them it's a godsend and are incredibly grateful to be paid minimum wage.

[Izzy]

Re: Immigration

I love it when people say "immigrants are taking our jobs" when they're jobs you refuse to do anyways because you devalue a job at say Walmart. Those workers will always be needed but people from here just don't want to do them for obvious reasons.

It's unfortunate that many immigrants are getting the short end of the stick when it comes to good jobs but for them it's a godsend and are incredibly grateful to be paid minimum wage.

I always got the same feeling when I used to work at a restaurant. I'm practically grateful that they are willing to do this kind of work. It is kind of a catch 22 though. If there were drastically less strict immigration laws and they could freely become a citizen as other who were born here then they might not be willing to do that kind of work. It's like things need to be unfairly strict in order to keep the status quo or things will fall apart.

Eventually though the job market might even out and just be ridiculously more difficult and competitive. At that point congress would probably review minimum wage. Then standard prices would rise maybe and cause inflation. Yay.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Immigration

1) Your thoughts on immigrants as a whole

I love immigrants and the cultures they bring. Pretty much all of us descended from immigrants, so it's silly to dislike them.

2) Your thoughts on language such as "illegal immigrants" now being considered like the F-word or N-word.

Absurd.

5) Do you think immigrants are good for the economy?

Immigrants in general? I guess a net positive, since they often come here to take advantage of the economic opportunities, but it's hard to distinguish them from citizens in this regard.

Illegal immigrants? Hard to say, since I don't keep detailed statistics on the economic activity of completely undocumented people. If I had to guess, I'd say a small net positive. They do a lot of work and spend money here, but they also avail themselves of benefits and send money outside the borders.

I think many problems would be solved by simply overhauling the system and making it easier for immigrants to come here legally.

A hundred times this. The process is ridiculously long and expensive I very much think that these factors are a barrier to legal immigration and, thus, a contributor to the illegal immigration problem.

I'm bemused as to why politicians aren't crawling all over each other to be the first to suggest making legal immigration easier. Sure, illegal immigration is a problem, and illegal immigrants need to be dealt with, but it seems that all the discussion is about how harshly they need to be dealt with and how they need to be prevented from entering.

I do not believe for an instant that illegal immigrants should have immediate access to citizenship. Legal residency is certainly on the table, but citizenship should only be available to them if they "get in line" and go through the legal process at the very least (and I personally believe they should, in some way, undo the steps that brought them here illegally by returning to their country of origin before coming back -- ideally they would begin the process in their home country after doing so, but I can appreciate the difficulty of doing that in some countries, so I wouldn't argue with starting the process here).

--Guido

[MixMasterLar]

Re: Immigration

Good bump

Really wanting to see how the doc worked out.

[Mrowmrew]

Re: Immigration

Honestly, I'm not necessarily on one side or the other. I think immigrants built this country and a lot of Americans overreact and like to point fingers at and blame anything but themselves for their problems. "Wah, they're taking our jobs." Well of course, they're unemployed human beings who turned in an application and happened to be employed. Get the fuck over it, it's not about race. It's about the number of people in this damn country and you can blame most of that on people's lack of use of condoms. At the same time a lot of immigrants come into the country and make it a point in their schedule to crap on everyone.
Basically, we could be a little more fair, but the assholes who come in here to wave their flag higher than ours and think they're big shit can stay where they came from.

About the economy, I really don't know much about economics, but I believe that a family (or 100) that moves in and works their asses off does a lot better for the economy than the thousands of lazy scumbags who lay back whining about their rights to be here.

Excuse my potty mouth.

[Nyokou]

Re: Immigration

About the economy, I really don't know much about economics, but I believe that a family (or 100) that moves in and works their asses off does a lot better for the economy than the thousands of lazy scumbags who lay back whining about their rights to be here.

Excuse my potty mouth.

Teehee.

You have a point though, which is why I never understood the Republican platform of not wanting to help with immigration reform when a lot of them are hard workers but will sit there and complain about so-called 'lazy' Americans taking money they don't deserve. Especially since a lot and I mean A LOT of these people from Latin America have very conservative views. Wasted voting bloc IMO but I guess they gotta keep the xenophobes and racists in their party happy.

I guess it's because if they keep the immigrants desperate and illegal, big companies and small companies alike can basically continue to hire people to work for them on slave wages and sometimes not even pay them at all. Or contract people from other countries for cheaper wages than hiring a qualified American individual just cause they don't want to give them benefits and all that. Seen it happen too many times already. A bunch of people getting laid off at Capital One including my dad cause they'd rather contract cheap workers from India. Our former roommate getting paid below minimum wage just like the rest of the illegal workers on the farm he worked at. My brother(s) also working for a lot less cause they are in the same situation as I am. Thankfully after my brother got married though he now is being paid what he should be paid at the same place... Only kept his job since there aren't many qualified TKD instructors in the area but he was taken advantage of as well, so.