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  • foilman8805
    smoke wheat hail satin
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    • Sep 2006
    • 5704

    #1

    How Ridiculous Is This?




    MOSCOW — How much would you pay for a ?

    A Russian businessman has trademarked the emoticon — or combination of punctuation marks — used to convey a wink in text messages and e-mail.

    Oleg Teterin, president of the mobile ad company Superfone, said Thursday he doesn't plan on tracking down individual users following the decision by the federal patent agency.

    "I want to highlight that this is only directed at corporations, companies that are trying to make a profit without the permission of the trademark holder," he said in comments to NTV.

    Companies will be sent legal warnings if they use the symbol without his permission, he said.

    "Legal use will be possible after buying an annual license from us," he was quoted by Kommersant as saying. "It won't cost that much — tens of thousands of dollars."

    He also said since other similar emoticons — or or — resemble the one he has trademarked, use of those symbols could also fall under his ownership.

    Other Russian Internet entrepreneurs reacted to the effort predictably —



    "Imagine the next wise-guy who trademarks the 33 letters of the Russian alphabet and then says anyone who uses the Russian alphabet has to send him money. It's absurd," Alexander Manis, the director of a broadband internet and mobile company, told NTV.

    Maksim Mashkov, owner of an Internet cafe and bookstore, said he doubted the trademark's legal basis since the symbol has existed in the public domain for years.

    Indeed, Russia media said Teterin wasn't the first to try to trademark the symbol in Russia. Kommersant said a St. Petersburg court in 2005 agreed with an appeal from the German corporation Siemens, which was sued by a Russian man claiming he held the trademark.

    Scott Fahlman, a professor at the Carnegie Mellon University in the United States, claims that he was the first to use three keystrokes — a colon followed by a hyphen and a parenthesis — as a horizontal "smiley face" in a computer message 25 years ago.
    Some people get the most outrageous ideas...and it's really all just for money. Tens of thousands of dollars for an annual license to do this ? Preposterous, if I do say so myself.

    What do you guys think about this guy trademarking an emoticon? Do you think he's exceedingly clever, or a greedy asshole? I'm not very educated on the laws of trademarks, but do you guys feel it's okay for someone to be allowed to trademark something that I would consider public domain?

    EDIT: Fixed it.
    Last edited by foilman8805; 12-12-2008, 07:42 AM.
  • Patricoo
    FFR Player
    • Dec 2003
    • 432

    #2
    Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

    He's an exceedingly clever asshole if gets away with it. Key point, if he makes money off of it.

    Case in point, if it isn't illegal, by all means go for it though American trademark laws are usually more lax, especially with the rule of parody to hide behind.

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    • dore
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      • Feb 2006
      • 6317

      #3
      Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

      cue in soviet russia jokes
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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      • Patricoo
        FFR Player
        • Dec 2003
        • 432

        #4
        Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

        In soviet Russia, Emoticon winks you!

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        • Zybanthia
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          • Dec 2008
          • 809

          #5
          Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

          I'd think at the very least you could have the decency to trademark something you came up with yourself... trademarking something that "nobody" came up with seems a bit odd (and by nobody, I mean that somebody came up with it of course, but it would be hard to track down exactly who, especially when things of this sort actually have multiple origins sometimes, just like catch phrases do).

          Also, if you'd like to disable the emoticons, just click the "Disable smilies in text" box under "Automatically parse links in text", which is just under the Submit Reply and Preview Post buttons. Of course, if you're using Quick Reply, I believe it's a little trickier.

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          • foilman8805
            smoke wheat hail satin
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            • Sep 2006
            • 5704

            #6
            Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

            Originally posted by Zybanthia
            I'd think at the very least you could have the decency to trademark something you came up with yourself... trademarking something that "nobody" came up with seems a bit odd (and by nobody, I mean that somebody came up with it of course, but it would be hard to track down exactly who, especially when things of this sort actually have multiple origins sometimes, just like catch phrases do).
            Yeah, that's what my initial thought was. Emoticons are public domain as far as I'm concerned.

            Originally posted by Zybanthia
            Also, if you'd like to disable the emoticons, just click the "Disable smilies in text" box under "Automatically parse links in text", which is just under the Submit Reply and Preview Post buttons. Of course, if you're using Quick Reply, I believe it's a little trickier.
            I figured it out. I do use Quick Reply. I just had to click 'Go Advanced' and it was in there. Thanks for the help.

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            • Zybanthia
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              • Dec 2008
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              #7
              Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

              And I'll remember the "Go Advanced" button myself.

              As for public domain, I was under the impression "public domain" referred to something that has not been copyrighted, not something that cannot be copyrighted; I wasn't actually aware of anything that cannot legally be copyrighted. But at the same time, if I came up with something and somebody else copyrighted it, I think there'd be a problem... which is why I don't think Mr. Teterin has the right to copyright these emoticons. Unless, of course, he came up with them.

              But I doubt it.

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              • Patashu
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                • Apr 2006
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                #8
                Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                I'm waiting for the first legal case to come about because of this

                there will be lulz
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                • dancingmaniac3
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                  • Nov 2003
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                  #9
                  Re: How Ridiculous Is This?



                  cash -10000

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                  • DrKirth
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                    • Dec 2006
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                    #10
                    Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                    lulz

                    patent pending


                    Be efficient.

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                    • OrganisM
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                      • Oct 2006
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                      #11
                      Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                      Strange world we live in...
                      .

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                      • EnR
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                        • Jul 2007
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                        #12
                        Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                        Soon someone will trademark the internet.

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                        • Adamaja456
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                          #13
                          Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                          that is fuking retarded


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                          • Tibs
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                            • May 2006
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                            #14
                            Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                            i'm trademarking the letter a. no-one can use it without paying me.

                            understnd tht, ssholes?

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                            • DoctorSerpentine
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                              • Nov 2007
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                              #15
                              Re: How Ridiculous Is This?

                              ;*

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