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Re: Third Presidential Debate 2008
Not to be a hater here but I think obama's plan to take money from people that make 250K and up and give it to people on welfare some of which who dont even care about getting jobs isnt fair to the rest of us because there are some people who work their asses off and they dont get anything and then you have the people who just come here and mooch off our government.
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I heard that Joe the plumber isn't really a plumber =[
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I think I should have said, Obama's defense is pretty much impenetrable by McCains low-grade attacks because most of them could just as easily be turned around on himself ten times over. - especially when he mentioned during the debate... there were some "refutable" comments at Obama's rallies .... uhmmm... there weren't people at Obama's rallies yelling "terrorist" or "kill him".. you wanna talk about "refutable"? O_o
Oh, I know for a fact our downfall was the actions of the free market. But for our government to give those big businesses absolutely no oversight? That's basically ridiculous.That's funny, because it's actually leftist policies that caused the economic troubles we're in, and in addition, despite what the electorate may think, the president is not directly responsible for the economy (hi free market) nor can a new president instantly fix the issue (uh... I guess they could... uh... suspend the free market system...? Good idea!).
Ron Paul?Simply being titled "Republican" is enough to make it an uphill battle for him, regardless of what policies he may be in favor of or opposed to. But when the Republican fails to put himself up as the one who will lower taxes, it's not as clear cut as "he's fighting a losing battle for his party". You put a good Republican in McCain's place, and they'd be able to manage a close fight, at the very least.
I think I've only said this because of the fact that people who make all that money, generally don't like giving it away, as if they plan on spending it all on something much more important... it really comes down to the way I think about life in general. In my on right, I would and would urge everyone around me to give that incentive to people to do better and make something of themselves just as I did. And if giving them a chance with the extra money I make would help them with that, I would absolutely share my wealth. It just seems we live in a time where people don't see it like that. I think we need a generation that grows up around a new mindset and positive batch of ideas.In as few words as that, this is a fundamental principle of capitalism. If you're opposed to this, I don't see how you could be in favor of capitalism.
I think at this point, people are starting to realize capitalism might not be the answer (maybe not using those exact words) - because, in its essence, a group of people running the country really is not in the best interests of the rest of our society. We need to grow as one at this point, not in compliance to a group of buddies that would suit their goals.You know what I think is disgusting? This is the United States of America, however, it is not the United Socialist Republic of America.Comment
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I don't think you know what "refutable" means.
And yes, nothing at Obama's rallies are as low as what was happening at McCain's, but to make it sound like there's nothing would be incredibly naive.
No... it was because they not only allowed, but encouraged banks to loan to people who didn't have the credit record, who couldn't afford it. This made the banks get taken down, and everything else is going down as the credit market is getting eaten alive. Lack of oversight, yes, but that's not the source, that's not what caused the problem; that is only what allowed the problem to cut as deeply as it has, even after the subprime lending ordeal was making headlines a year ago.Oh, I know for a fact our downfall was the actions of the free market. But for our government to give those big businesses absolutely no oversight? That's basically ridiculous.
Ron Paul isn't electable in the Republican's eyes, and he wouldn't fair too well in a general election either. Hopeful libertarians were his only shot of support, but now that he's on a 3rd party ticket rather than the Republican one, libertarians would sooner vote for Barr, I think, who, if I recall, has as high as 10% poll support in at least one state, and over 4% I believe most everywhere else.Ron Paul?
It's nothing about times or generations. People are greedy; this is a fact across history. This greed drives capitalism. The point of it is to drive people to work hard so that they can be better (that is, have more wealth) than others.I think I've only said this because of the fact that people who make all that money, generally don't like giving it away, as if they plan on spending it all on something much more important... it really comes down to the way I think about life in general. In my on right, I would and would urge everyone around me to give that incentive to people to do better and make something of themselves just as I did. And if giving them a chance with the extra money I make would help them with that, I would absolutely share my wealth. It just seems we live in a time where people don't see it like that. I think we need a generation that grows up around a new mindset and positive batch of ideas.
You take away the greed with Robin Hood tactics and you guarantee that the people at the bottom will become dependent. We already have people at the bottom on welfare who are complacent. Is giving money to the jobless at the bottom going to motivate them to work? No. Is giving them "free" health care? No. You can't say "oh let's just give them some money and that will make them change their ways and become a good contributor to society". No. It doesn't work like that.
Socialism and communism are at odds with human nature. And you take away the reward for hard work, you can be sure people will become even more lazy.I think at this point, people are starting to realize capitalism might not be the answer (maybe not using those exact words) - because, in its essence, a group of people running the country really is not in the best interests of the rest of our society. We need to grow as one at this point, not in compliance to a group of buddies that would suit their goals.
And I think you don't really understand the system. "Capitalism" does not mean that those with money own the country. They can fondle the market all they want, but the government should be untouched (don't get me started on lobbyists, that's a whole other ordeal).
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You have to be 18. That video was pretty funny Rubix, Barney Frank has a voice that is pretty difficult to understand. As far as I've seen, we can't afford to have even a slight chance that there could be a female president. If you think about it, it's only because a lot of government officials won't listen to them, which means they won't listen to the United States in general, and what if Palin overreacted and oh, launched a missile at them?
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Re: Third Presidential Debate 2008 (Interesting website: punditpolitics.com)
Hey all. If anyone's interested in a more objective, fact-oriented politics website - which also lets you take "political IQ tests" on both Obama and McCain - check out punditpolitics.com. The site is still obviously in its early stages, but I think it has some engaging and informative content that is relevant to all of the issues discussed in the presidential debates. And... aren't you at least mildly curious what your "political IQ" is?Last edited by AlexB; 10-20-2008, 12:48 AM.Comment
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