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  • Zageron
    Zageron E. Tazaterra
    FFR Administrator
    • Apr 2007
    • 6592

    #1

    Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

    Root word damnit.

    -x - 2----y + 1
    ------ + ------ = 2
    --3---------5


    x + 2----y + 5
    ------ - ------ = -2
    --7--------3

    Solve the system of equations.

    I've worked through an entire math class, and 30 minutes just now. Trying to figure it out. I can't get it.
    (Teacher was away so i couldn't ask for help, I got help from friends but we couldn't figure out what I was doing wrong...)

    Gr. 11P math

    Please help.

    Thanks,

    Edit: BY THE WAY
    There are no decimals or Fractions in the answer.
    Last edited by Zageron; 09-20-2008, 07:16 PM.
  • travman301
    #swagdog
    • Mar 2004
    • 2641

    #2
    Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

    X=5, y=4

    Edit: Looks like I win. ^_^

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    • Gano
      FFR Player
      • Jun 2006
      • 997

      #3
      Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

      math is my bane
      Last edited by Gano; 09-20-2008, 07:29 PM.

      doraemon bustin caps

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      • pntballa18
        FFR Player
        • Mar 2005
        • 3357

        #4
        Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

        rofl how is that hard, did it in my head and got the same as trav

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        • Zageron
          Zageron E. Tazaterra
          FFR Administrator
          • Apr 2007
          • 6592

          #5
          Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

          The point was for you guys to tell me how you got it.
          I'm obviously making like 1 mistake. There were like 5 questions identical to this one, just different numbers, that I got in less than 40 seconds. This one is just weird.

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          • Squeek
            let it snow~
            • Jan 2004
            • 14444

            #6
            Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

            Same way I solve all math problems.

            Guess and check.

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            • travman301
              #swagdog
              • Mar 2004
              • 2641

              #7
              Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

              Uh, I just found numerators that came out to whole numbers. XD

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              • Zageron
                Zageron E. Tazaterra
                FFR Administrator
                • Apr 2007
                • 6592

                #8
                Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                BTW I'm not allowed to plug in numbers.
                I have to do it by solving so it looks like x = 2y - 7 or something like that, then you have to plug that in to an equation and you get like y or something.

                ;_;

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                • travman301
                  #swagdog
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2641

                  #9
                  Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                  Then you can add the two equations together, and then find the zeros to solve it.

                  But, thats like 50 times more work for such an easy problem.

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                  • Zageron
                    Zageron E. Tazaterra
                    FFR Administrator
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 6592

                    #10
                    Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                    Originally posted by travman301
                    Then you can add the two equations together, and then find the zeros to solve it.

                    But, thats like 50 times more work for such an easy problem.
                    Yeah. I dunno why there is so much work involved, I think it's so we know how to do insane questions in the future.

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                    • travman301
                      #swagdog
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2641

                      #11
                      Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                      You need to know how to do substitution and combination and stuff when you solve matrices and things like that. I think that's what your teacher is starting to get you ready for.

                      As for these though, just do the math in your head to get the answer. It's not worth the effort.

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                      • dag12
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 468

                        #12
                        Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                        Alright

                        -x - 2----y + 1
                        ------ + ------ = 2 .... [1]
                        --3---------5


                        x + 2----y + 5
                        ------ - ------ = -2 ... [2]
                        --7--------3

                        [1] * 15:
                        5(x - 2) + 3(y + 1) = 30

                        [2] * 21:
                        3(x + 2) - 7(y + 5) = -42

                        Simplify the system:
                        5x + 3y = 37 ... [1']
                        3x - 7y = -13 ... [2']

                        [1'] * 3:
                        15x + 9y = 111 ... [1'']

                        [2'] * 5:
                        15x - 35y = -65 ... [2'']

                        [1''] - [2'']:
                        44y = 176

                        Simplify:
                        y = 4

                        Substitute y = 4 into [1'] (Any of the previous equations work, but I just chose [1']):
                        5x + 3*4 = 37

                        Simplify:
                        5x = 25
                        x=5

                        Solution:
                        [ x = 5, y = 4]

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                        • x After Dawn x
                          FFR Veteran
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1613

                          #13
                          Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                          I just did it in my head and got the same answer as trav.
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                          • Zageron
                            Zageron E. Tazaterra
                            FFR Administrator
                            • Apr 2007
                            • 6592

                            #14
                            Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                            thank you dag12, now I can see what I got wrong.

                            Somehow 5(x - 2) ended up being 5x + 10
                            -_-;

                            In math if there is ever a - 2x or - 2, I always seem to get it mixed with positive.
                            Last edited by Zageron; 09-20-2008, 08:39 PM.

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                            • Jokee
                              FFR Player
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 161

                              #15
                              Re: Help with an 'impossibly' easy math question

                              -x - 2----y + 1
                              ------ + ------ = 2
                              --3---------5

                              You have to transform the denominator into 1. so you take the whole equation and multiply by 15 (3x5) and you get -5x-10+3y+3=30

                              Then you isolate the y variable -> 3y=5x+37 -> y=(5x/3)+(37/3)

                              Then you do the same with the second equation and you get a similar answer. Then you compare the you 2 new equations and you'll get your answer.


                              Edit: Sorry I just saw that someone answered already :P

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