Linux Anyone?

[SqNtz_xoombot]

RE: Re: Linux Anyone?

I'm running slackware on my laptop. Just slackware. No dualboot junk. Much more satisfied with slack over windows. Running the 2.4 kernel on my server (haven't bothered updating it yet).. That one's slack too. It serves up all kinds of music to listen to during cs labtime )

[SqNtz_xoombot]

Linux is still better than windows no matter how you slice it.

No, no it's not, for the common user (me, and everyone else in the world) it's a pain to get to working properly with ALL the hardwawre, and often, just doesn't have a driver yet, and some things never get a driver for linux, because so few people have them. Oh, and gaming- I know it's possible to game on linux, but usually it's completely reliant on a few key, skilled developers developing a proprietary opengl renderer for whatever game you are trying to play, sounds like fun, eh?

By the way, deltro, you should have all the drivers you need if you looked up the hardware before trying out Linux. Almost all hardware has drivers built in to the kernel -- just takes a quick recompile. The hardware that isn't supported should be made note of before install. Hope that helps you out )

[deltro300111]

Yo deltro, I see we have a windows fan. Yes I could have made all those completely accurate points. Maybe I was a little too pissed off from reformatting my computer last month because windows takes security as seriously as protecting files. (Several itinerations of windows randomly delete files to make space.) And btw windows has crushed his competion, the freaking OS competition. The only reason I have not switched to Linux is because playing WOW is way to buggy. Oh and the virus thing. I recently stumbled onto a drive by kelogger program. If you don't know what that is, being the awsome that I am, I'll tell you. Lets say you open my web page, boom I can instantly download it to your PC and watch every keystroke you make and no Mozilla does not protect against it. However if the big M gets its act togther it can stop the program wich is convviently named WINSPY!!!. But no that would actually take work for them which would delay its Vista OS which Microsoft has decided to rush out minus tons of features it promised. And all the points you made were pretty good too.

If you use Firefox and Script Block, you won't get that virus, as script block blocks all scripts without exception- even if it's running from an outside source.

It seems to me that your only complaint is Security, and the fact that it's made by Microsoft.

-Security can very easily be fixed with minor, and typically wel known fixes.

-I can't help that it's made by microsoft, but this is really an invalid reason to dislike in otherwise well-made, and well-supported OS.

edit: On security, all someone has to do to totally fuck your linux box is to Brute Force (That's when you have an automated program guess at all possible combonations of alphanumeric -usually- passwords.) into root, and then kill your monitor by making the Refresh Rate/Resolution sit at an unsupported level, overclock possibly your Video Card/CPU until they explode, and probably whatever the hell else they want... hmm... that's security.

[SqNtz_xoombot]

If your password is 'poop' it might be a bit easy. Longer passwords take forever to brute force. By the time it's easy to get into a secure linux box with a good processor, developers will fix things up like they always do .

[SqNtz_xoombot]

Oh and on the note of the platform itself, Windows has been going downhill in security to be able to support software. Hoping they solve this problem with Vista.

Yall see that opensuse project? Might be ahead of Vista and all that?

[Grandiagod]

Deltro, while Linux can be brute forced, so can parts of XP. I'm not anti-microsoft just for no reason, its that they do not have the best product, yeah XP is passable and Vista is a step up (small step) my reasoning is: Why would you have XP if you could have something better. Sure its not the most user friendly but I'm not saying your grandma should switch to Linux but for a person with even some technological awareness Windows is not the best product.

PS. Sqntz try not to double post, just edit your first posts and be sure to read stickies.

[FoJaR]

If your password is 'poop' it might be a bit easy. Longer passwords take forever to brute force. By the time it's easy to get into a secure linux box with a good processor, developers will fix things up like they always do .

most programs like brute force run off of a dictionary program.

solution: make your password something like 7c3hto4sn15x2

the number of iterations a brute force program would have to go through to get a password like that without a dictionary to run from would take somewhere along the lines of 36^13, assuming it knows that the password is 13 characters, which of course it wouldnt... but in any case, it would take a computer a matter of years to go through the required number of iterations.

i have a password like this, but the one above is obviously not it.

[FoJaR]

i just calculated that if a brute force program were to try to guess a password like that, to get through all of the iterations, at 10,000 guesses per second, it would take 540 million years.

[deltro300111]

i just calculated that if a brute force program were to try to guess a password like that, to get through all of the iterations, at 10,000 guesses per second, it would take 540 million years.

did someone say distributed attack? http://seventeenorbust.com lawl

Linux is still better than windows no matter how you slice it.

No, no it's not, for the common user (me, and everyone else in the world) it's a pain to get to working properly with ALL the hardwawre, and often, just doesn't have a driver yet, and some things never get a driver for linux, because so few people have them. Oh, and gaming- I know it's possible to game on linux, but usually it's completely reliant on a few key, skilled developers developing a proprietary opengl renderer for whatever game you are trying to play, sounds like fun, eh?

By the way, deltro, you should have all the drivers you need if you looked up the hardware before trying out Linux. Almost all hardware has drivers built in to the kernel -- just takes a quick recompile. The hardware that isn't supported should be made note of before install. Hope that helps you out )

I don't like to recompile operating systems, it scares me, also - I'm talking about obscure stuff- for example, a Voodoo 4 card- I've no reason to use it really, but what if I wanted to, and couldn't find drivers- or my SB Live! 24-bit external? I doubt I could find sufficient drivers for that.

[shade11]

I have been working with Ubuntu for awaile now on my new Laptop. I have Ubuntu 5.10 and Windows. But I find that I am rarely using Windows anymore. But, I don't know enough about Linux to actually remove Windows yet. But soon I will remove windows.

I hate those people who think that Linux sucks and Windows rocks. Windows is a buggy OS. People only like it because it runs most programs. BUT, there are perfect alternatives to those programs. And plus you can get wine to run those programs and assosiate programs with it. Plus Linux looks nicer and is not as vunerable to hackers. Spyware cant affect it, and viruses wont wrok with it because of the sheer way it is built.