Gun Control

[Soundwave-]

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The stats on this show that you are -hugely- more likely to accidentally shoot yourself or a family member/friend than a home invader.

Hugely is an overstatement. Sources seem to agree on about 1:2, justifiable homicides to accidental gun deaths. The number of these that could be prevented by simply enforcing people be more educated about gun safety is probably fairly high.

[thesunfan]

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a fruit

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so what? if you break and enter with a deadly weapon you deserve to die

At the same time tho the owner will have the right to use deadly force cuz ya never know what a burglars packin so bringin a gun is just better safe than sorry.
Also this particular scenario is best ended with, how boutcha just dont break into peoples houses!

Fantastic thread btw i wish i could show everyone i know the OP

[DaBackpack]

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The biggest problem in the USA surrounding positive and useful gun reform isn't 2nd amendment rights, it's that organizations like the CDC are expressly forbidden from actually conducting research into the issues surrounding gun violence and gun suicides etc. They are actively prevented from trying to discover what kinds of changes would have what effects on the rate of gun use and gun deaths in the US. When they were able to research cars, they developed a number of measures that dramatically reduced the rate of car fatalities. But the NRA is so powerfully against allowing anything that might lead in any way to legislation that limits anybody's right to have as many guns as they want as easily as they want, that it will never happen.

This, THIS so fucking much. What actual logical reason is there to not allow research on a topic as important as this?

[Reincarnate]

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This, THIS so fucking much. What actual logical reason is there to not allow research on a topic as important as this?

IIRC, it had something to do with the CDC trying to pump out some really crappy studies in the 80's to push an anti-gun agenda that they had already decided on beforehand.

Edit:

http://www.drgo.us/?p=266

http://www.drgo.us/?p=285

http://www.drgo.us/?p=314

[thesunfan]

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watched "How Small Arms Work" in the OP, I think that it might be a bit more accurate for you to say that the video is more than a bit out of date, but it was very educational.

I think I learned a lot from it and I would encourage anyone that doesn't know shit about guns to give it a shot if you're interested.

[DaBackpack]

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IIRC, it had something to do with the CDC trying to pump out some really crappy studies in the 80's to push an anti-gun agenda that they had already decided on beforehand.

Edit:

http://www.drgo.us/?p=266

http://www.drgo.us/?p=285

http://www.drgo.us/?p=314

this frustrates the fuck out of me because

yeah it was shitty that they announced biases

yeah it sucks that taxpayer money funded these studies

but that was 15 years ago and the issue is as present as ever, and it is the job of scientists to get to the bottom of issues like this

maybe not as hot-topic as gun violence,, but gun suicides, gun storage, gun distribution are all topics that deserve attention

aren't there other public research institutions that can do this? the above articles describe CDC comments, but what about NIH? this would apply just as much to them too right?

[DaBackpack]

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Dickey's amendment didn't explicitly ban gun research, and it kept the Center for Injury Prevention alive. But Congress simultaneously took $2.6 million from the CDC's budget — a number that was not coincidentally the exact amount the agency had spent on gun-related research the year before. As far as the CDC was concerned, the message was clear: Do gun research, lose funding.

"Precisely what was or was not permitted under the clause was unclear," gun violence researchers Frederick Rivara and Arthur Kellermann wrote in The Journal of the American Medical Association in 2013. "But no federal employee was willing to risk his or her career or the agency's funding to find out."

In fact, after an NIH-funded study in 2009 found that carrying a gun is not protective against being shot in an assault, Congress expanded the language of the Dickey Amendment to apply it to all Department of Health and Human Services agencies, Rivara and Kellermann wrote.

http://www.livescience.com/52970-federal-gun-research-still-stalled.html

seems there's now a stigma behind gun research, which is just great isn't it

[RB_Spirit]

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Guava, also, hi. Cool thread. I'll leave now, goodluck!

[MarioNintendo]

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Association Between Gun Law Reforms and Intentional Firearm Deaths in Australia, 1979-2013

[MarioNintendo]

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tl;dr gun control works, get over it USA

[Reincarnate]

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'This made a helluva lot of sense when it was just muskets. You do realise you'll be bringing guns to a drone fight, right?'

This guy is hilarious but on point.

[adlp]

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tl;dr gun control works, get over it USA

LOL ok comparing the 24 million people on a single continent with 3 million civilian firearms to the 320+ million in the USA with 250 million guns? noice m8

i bet youre the same guy who thinks copy pasting socialism from tiny european countries to the US would fix everything too huh

[choof]

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tl;dr gun control works, get over it USA

no, it fucking doesn't work
no, it fucking won't work

I'll say it again, america is directly north of this fancy country called mexico that exports massive amounts of illegal weapons (and drugs) to criminals
what countries does australia have nearby that has those same exports? new guinea? fuckin new zealand?

illegal use of weapons is a huge issue here in america, and it cannot be fixed by taking away legal use of weapons.

if gun control worked, gun free zones would be the safest fuckin places in the entirety of the country, and yet a huge number of shootings have been where? gun free zones

[Reincarnate]

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Please keep it civil, errbody.

IMO the lack of civility regarding this debate is a big part of the problem.