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  • Evnoir
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    • Sep 2008
    • 978

    #16
    Re: The Puzzle Thread

    Probably 0% since the answer itself doesn't have to be confined to those 4 choices.
    Unless I'm interpreting something wrong.

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    • j-rodd123
      End of the road
      • Oct 2006
      • 3692

      #17
      Re: The Puzzle Thread

      ya that's what I was thinking as well, if it's not 0% then im curious to see what the answer is

      Originally posted by FictionJunction
      wow

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      • leonid
        I am leonid
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        FFR Music Producer
        • Oct 2008
        • 8080

        #18
        Re: The Puzzle Thread

        Provide simple mathematical explanation for bonus points



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        • Zageron
          Zageron E. Tazaterra
          FFR Administrator
          • Apr 2007
          • 6592

          #19
          Re: The Puzzle Thread

          The answer is in this post, be careful if you want to solve it yourself.
          A can't see anything. Doesn't speak.
          B can't see anything, doesn't speak.
          C Can only see a white hat, doesn't know.
          D Can see both white and black, so doesn't speak.

          Because D doesn't speak, C assumes that since B's hat is white, his is black.


          Boom. (Don't forget to use all of the information. :P)
          Last edited by Zageron; 04-13-2014, 02:14 PM.

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          • Evnoir
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            • Sep 2008
            • 978

            #20
            Re: The Puzzle Thread

            Can't do math l0l
            I'll add onto this post, but for now, here's some rambling.

            Even if the choices were different (e.g. a) 10% b) 20% c) 30% d) 40%), it wouldn't change the question. Unless the correct answer is one of the choices, there's no way to pick the right answer from the given choices. In this case, assuming uniform distribution, the answers will be weighted with different probabilities. Because of this, the answer changes depending on the which choice you pick. I'm trying to think of a mathematical approach but nothing's coming up at the moment.

            hint pls

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            • leonid
              I am leonid
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              FFR Music Producer
              • Oct 2008
              • 8080

              #21
              Re: The Puzzle Thread

              Numbers on the choices matter and solutions can vary depending on them.

              In our particular case, there's one solution



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              • Reincarnate
                x'); DROP TABLE FFR;--
                • Nov 2010
                • 6332

                #22
                Re: The Puzzle Thread

                What does the fox say

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                • ___________
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 585

                  #23
                  Re: The Puzzle Thread

                  sum up P(correct answer is " ") * P(" " was chosen), you get 1/2*1/2+1/4*1/4+1/4*1/4 = 3/8


                  my thoughts

                  EDIT: didn't realize the choices referenced themselves
                  Last edited by ___________; 04-13-2014, 03:36 PM.

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                  • Evnoir
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                    • Sep 2008
                    • 978

                    #24
                    Re: The Puzzle Thread

                    Originally posted by ___________
                    sum up P(correct answer is " ") * P(" " was chosen), you get 1/2*1/2+1/4*1/4+1/4*1/4 = 3/8


                    my thoughts
                    Depending on how the question is interpreted, I was also thinking that or

                    1/3*(1/2+1/4+1/4) = 1/3
                    or with the differently weighted answers: 1/2 and 1/4.

                    I'll just stick with 0 still since it seems to make the most sense
                    Last edited by Evnoir; 04-13-2014, 03:15 PM.

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                    • leonid
                      I am leonid
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 8080

                      #25
                      Re: The Puzzle Thread

                      It's nothing complicated


                      Answer is 25% -> 50% chance to get it right by guessing (=Answer is 50%) -> Contradiction
                      Answer is 50% -> 25% chance to get it right by guessing (=Answer is 25%) -> Contradiction
                      Answer is 60% -> 25% chance to get it right by guessing (=Answer is 25%) -> Contradiction
                      Answer is anything else that is not 0% -> 0% chance to get it right by guessing (=Answer is 0%) -> Contradiction

                      We only have 0% left as a candidate for the answer, and if the answer is 0%, the chance to get it right by guessing from the given choices is 0%, which satisfies the condition. Hence the answer is 0%

                      There's a variation where the choice C is 0% instead of 60%. For this variation, there is no solution
                      Last edited by leonid; 04-13-2014, 03:28 PM.



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                      • Zapmeister
                        FFR Player
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 466

                        #26
                        Re: The Puzzle Thread

                        here are two more silly puzzles to kill your time

                        (1)
                        Code:
                        +-------+-------+-------+
                        | . . . | . . 1 | . . 2 |
                        | . . 3 | . . . | . 4 . |
                        | . 5 . | . 6 . | 7 . . |
                        +-------+-------+-------+
                        | . . . | 8 . . | . 7 . |
                        | . . 7 | . . 3 | 8 . . |
                        | 9 . . | . 5 . | . . 1 |
                        +-------+-------+-------+
                        | . . 6 | . 8 . | 2 . . |
                        | . 4 . | 6 . . | . . 7 |
                        | 2 . . | . . 9 | . 6 . |
                        +-------+-------+-------+
                        you are given that there is a unique solution. find it.


                        (2) (ok i lied this isn't really a puzzle) the answers to the first verse are "no, no, no, no" and the answer to the second verse is "get them yourself". what is it?



                        hat question
                        if d looked at b and c's hats and saw they were the same colour then d would know his own hat was the other colour. but d doesn't say anything so c assumes d has a reasonable level of intelligence so that c knows his hat colour is different from b's. that's the answer.

                        Theorem: If you have a large enough number of monkeys, and a large enough number of computer keyboards, one of them will sight-read AAA death piano on stealth. And the ffr community will forever worship it. Proof Example

                        ask me anything here

                        mashed FCs: 329

                        r1: 5
                        r2: 4
                        r3: 6
                        r4: 8
                        r5: 3
                        r6: 5
                        r7: 15
                        final position: 4th

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                        • igotrhythm
                          Fractals!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 6535

                          #27
                          Re: The Puzzle Thread

                          fuck you and your poker/sudoku, Zap :P

                          There are two poles, each 50 feet high. A 60-foot-long rope of uniform density is strung between the tops of each. The rope dips to a height of 20 feet at its lowest point. Find the distance between the two poles.
                          Originally posted by thesunfan
                          I literally spent 10 minutes in the library looking for the TWG forum on Smogon and couldn't find it what the fuck is this witchcraft IGR

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                          • Zapmeister
                            FFR Player
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 466

                            #28
                            Re: The Puzzle Thread

                            Originally posted by igotrhythm
                            fuck you and your poker/sudoku, Zap :P

                            There are two poles, each 50 feet high. A 60-foot-long rope of uniform density is strung between the tops of each. The rope dips to a height of 20 feet at its lowest point. Find the distance between the two poles.
                            hey what the hell does poker have to do with any of this :P

                            your question actually got me scrabbling for my first-year variational principles course notes before i realised what you did. har har

                            Theorem: If you have a large enough number of monkeys, and a large enough number of computer keyboards, one of them will sight-read AAA death piano on stealth. And the ffr community will forever worship it. Proof Example

                            ask me anything here

                            mashed FCs: 329

                            r1: 5
                            r2: 4
                            r3: 6
                            r4: 8
                            r5: 3
                            r6: 5
                            r7: 15
                            final position: 4th

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                            • Kotarouchan
                              I only need 3 seconds :)
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 2030

                              #29
                              Re: The Puzzle Thread

                              that's a cute one there igot

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                              • Reincarnate
                                x'); DROP TABLE FFR;--
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 6332

                                #30
                                Re: The Puzzle Thread

                                I have three legs, but cannot stand
                                I have two eyes, but cannot see
                                And yet, I can see very far, but nothing can be distinguished
                                I am constantly starving, yet always full
                                And if you look for me, I can never be found.

                                What am I?

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