Grammatically Speaking

[PaperclipGames]

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100% 2ezpz

[i love you]

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I got 3 wrong.

I have NEVER used "whose" in a sentence before. I did not even know such word existed o.o

I have NEVER used i.e or e.g in a sentence so I did not knew what those actually meant o.o

I have NEVER used "bored by" in a sentence ever o.o

I guess you learn something new everyday.

[rushyrulz]

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94% cuz I got the last 2 wrong
sad day.

[DossarLX ODI]

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The one about i.e and e.g is mean. Giving examples IS giving information because it's illustrating to the reader a related application of something. Words like anomalous and bizarre do have differences, but giving examples is giving information.

I just find a lot of ambiguity in grammar that is never actually explained well. It's like how someone says an implication p->q in logic is the same as (not)p OR q, when they could simply just say it's a statement stating either the premise is false or the conclusion is true.

[Fission]

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they could simply just say it's a statement stating either the premise is false or the conclusion is true

this statement isn't nearly as concrete as the former. it also isn't entirely accurate either.

[DossarLX ODI]

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I'm talking about explaining it to someone who is starting out and/or doesn't know the clear distinction between something so the person doesn't just go by gut reactions

[awein999]

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91%

Edit: Didn't know it was Jon and Me. Said I

They could have arrived earlier. Said of.

I'm bored by math class. Said with.

[Pseudo Enigma]

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i.e. -> in other words
e.g. -> for example

"I like primary colors, i.e. red, blue, yellow" is the most correct. It's because if you swap it out with 'in other words', it turns it into a non ambiguous explanation of what they like. 'For example' would imply there are more than red, blue, and yellow.

Can't remember the other one, but it was probably more along the lines of using i.e. would mean there are only those things when there could be more than is listed.

[PaperclipGames]

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The one about i.e and e.g is mean. Giving examples IS giving information because it's illustrating to the reader a related application of something. Words like anomalous and bizarre do have differences, but giving examples is giving information.

I just find a lot of ambiguity in grammar that is never actually explained well. It's like how someone says an implication p->q in logic is the same as (not)p OR q, when they could simply just say it's a statement stating either the premise is false or the conclusion is true.

It isn't mean. I wonder how many abbreviations in English exist that people use, but of which they have no clue what they mean.

i.e. = id est = that is ~ "by that I mean"
e.g. = examplum gratia = given the example ~ "for example"
AM = ante meridiem = before mid-day
PM = post meridiem = after mid-day

And so on. If you know what i.e. and e.g. literally mean, it should be obvious which of the two to use.

[Ohaider]

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damnit i.e. and e.g.

[Reincarnate]

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I'm talking about explaining it to someone who is starting out and/or doesn't know the clear distinction between something so the person doesn't just go by gut reactions

With "i.e." you're clarifying something. You could substitute the clarification back into the sentence with no meaning lost:

"He decided to fill the jar with guano (i.e. bat droppings)."

You could easily substitute that back in:

"He decided to fill the jar with bat droppings."

And the sentence is pretty much the same in essence.

"Eating pushpins is about as safe as playing with live current (i.e. not that safe at all)." => "Eating pushpins is not that safe at all."


With "e.g," you're just listing a few examples that don't necessarily constitute an exhaustive list. There may be a lot more than you aren't listing but are equally valid.

"I love classical-music FFR charts (e.g. OMW, Revo, and Molto)."

You might argue that these things are examples that "clarify" with something specific, too, like with "i.e.", but it doesn't work:

"I love the OMW, Revo, and Molto FFR charts."

Now you make it sound like you like ONLY those three, whereas the original sentence was much broader in scope.

[remedy1502]

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97%, bored of this instead of bored with this
now I know

[_Fluttershy_]

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Yerp, 100%! The kind of stuff I need to know considering I'm in uni heh! XD

[devonin]

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It isn't mean. I wonder how many abbreviations in English exist that people use, but of which they have no clue what they mean.

i.e. = id est = that is ~ "by that I mean"
e.g. = examplum gratia = given the example ~ "for example"
AM = ante meridiem = before mid-day
PM = post meridiem = after mid-day

And so on. If you know what i.e. and e.g. literally mean, it should be obvious which of the two to use.

Part of the reason I first became a member of the FFR forum moderation staff was my correct use of viz. in a post in CT

[Pseudo Enigma]

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Woah, I've never seen that one before in my life. (then again I don't read very often)

Thanks Dev, I learned something new.