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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
N1 was full on TWG brain. Who was an active voice that (I thought) was heavy Town. Save them.
Ergo, Lar.
And it almost worked because I think wolves had the exact same idea for a while. (and arguably, did it anyway just with Haku instead of Lar)
As for N2, I have my little notepad screenshotted and posted in deadchat, so you can see my logic there.Life is simply unfair... Don't you think?Comment
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
this setup was designed to be played in a live setting, which is a bit more conducive with stuff like millium and laura instantly nuking games
we're always glad newer players are playing, ofc
when sven proposed this setup to me, I was immediately very worried that it would have this problem and a bit more, but I'm glad we got a game out of it, even if it feels like there was more game to be playedTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
FFR is a pretty good place somehow.Comment
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
1) Zenith requested replacement
2) I wanted to stop the stuff with ciphers minutes earlier, and I was talking to sven about it, and he wanted to let it play out. I agreed to let that happen, but then I saw you actually getting a wolfread on Arp (or trying to develop one), and felt like it had already tainted that moment of the game a little bit. Firstly, FFR is an English only forum, and while arguments can be made that Al Bhed is just a modified form of English, let's just like
think about the spirit of the game, right? You preface your post saying that you can kinda see it, right? Could it have waited until postgame? I guess... I did want to make it so that the topic didn't come up again, and I do recognize that I did this with one thing (ciphers) and not another (copy/pasting jailor chat). If the jailor chat thing came up again, I was going to make a post about it, and honestly, I think I deserve at least some criticism because the jailor stuff was more pressing.
3) just a quick point; do you happen to know why you thought copy/pasting private chats has always been legal? It very explicitly hasn't been for a long time now, probably close to a decade.TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
after seeing the game play out, I think town really did make a big mistake by killing no one on the first day
it feels like less of a mistake than it basically ever has been to kill no one, so there's that at least
I'd probably feel tempted to do it myself, because the chance of the game just ending because of a millium claim would undo a lot of sven's efforts and that would fill me with a kind of guilt or remorseTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
1 I should have said this when H&H said this but yeah, fair enough. I still think all replacements should happen at night because that absolutely changes how EOD played out in my opinion and absolutely changed who Haku picked. Granted, for town it was probably all positive but any outside change would be preferred
2 I just don't think anything negative was happening because of it. My read and prodding on Arp is completely legitimate because it was using information that was in thread, I don't get how a read is suddenly not in the spirit of the game because it's using something not accepted in English.
I understand, thinking on it, we dont want players to use code/languages to withhold information from some players, but it still rubs me wrong to have the rule change mod game when that wasn't happening--Lord knows if anyone didn't get it they could ask, and the joke was basically me picking on Xel (which means, legally speaking, I read Arp based on reactions to shitposting which is totally legal 👌
i just dont understand how this was negatively impacting the game
Actually half of D2's post were basically about it? Seems it helped if anything
3 Screenshots were never allowed for sure. Copy/paste has been for chats but not role PMs? God knows you could copy anything in Trailer Park BoysComment
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
your read was on something that shouldn't have been in the thread in the first place, because ciphers don't belong in TWG. I am CERTAINLY not accusing anyone of using ciphers for anything other than good, clean fun. But its something where I would rather draw the line much, much earlier than any place where the lines could be muddied or something. The talk of ciphers was, honestly, positively impacting the game, so I can accept that stepping in and saying something was a negative for the game, but I would argue that it is a fairly necessary one for game integrity.
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ahhhhh, I see where the confusion happens for OOTC games, this is good to have this now rather than later so I know what to do for the wording of the rule.
Copy/pasting has been traditionally legal in OOTC games, I kinda really don't like that rule personally, but it should be up to the mod. This is the exception, rather than the rule, and its why you remember Trailer Park Boys the way you do.
Rule 2 of FFRTWG:
2) A player may not post their role PM, in part or in full, or any other communication they may have had with the host. Threatening to post your PM is not allowed. A player may not make reference to any communication they may have had with the host. You may not post, in part or in full, any part of any private conversation you may have had (wolfchat or masonchat). All of the above refers to quoting directly using the forum feature, posting a screenshot or screenshots, attempting to determine alignments by asking someone how their PM was worded, etc.
HOWEVER, it is contrasted with rule 2a
2a) Players ARE however, allowed to post private conversations with other players, so long as the rules of the game permit this (In game where Out of Thread communication is legal). It is also legal to produce fake conversations.
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this is, confusing, I can see that now. What is a masonchat, or a jailorchat, other than a discussion with another player? This will be remedied before the next game begins. If you (or anyone) has any suggestions for how to make this distinction clearer, I'd love to hear it.TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
All I'll add here is I don't remember it being in the rules, I don't remember discussions that implied it was an issue, I don't recall a mod pointing it out in sign ups. It absolutely was something that could be there before any rule against it is made.
If we're changing that moving forward, that doesn't change this game's use of it or it's context.
Personally if it's a copy/pasta that could easily be faked I think it probably doesn't destroy the integrity of the game any more then claiming and probably generates contentthis is, confusing, I can see that now. What is a masonchat, or a jailorchat, other than a discussion with another player? This will be remedied before the next game begins. If you (or anyone) has any suggestions for how to make this distinction clearer, I'd love to hear it.
BUT I get some setups this isn't gonna fly, so we should handle it like the other rules and just have the host turn it on and off.
So by default, it's how you describe it: no sharing, period, of host made and monitored chats. That makes OOTC sharing on by default without any other work. Then we just make a rule that overrides it
Something like "Information Share" or whatever. No pics, but otherwise sharing is on (it's important to me that it still be possible to fake the logs for the majority of players, The way I think you feel about ciphers is how I feel about letting town provide hard evidence about their PMs/Logs
So then in sign ups it's easy to tell where we sit
Insta Lynch: On
KitB: On
Phantoms: Off
OOTC: On
Info Share: Off
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
I think I feel the same way as you do about making fake logs possible to be plausible, and that's just... a tremendously, tremendously high bar when you'd make something like copy/pasting legal
yeah, charu and any number more of wolves COULD have faked that jailor chat but like...
cmon
there does need to be a balance when you're asking:
one side to spend 5 seconds copy and pasting a legit document MAYBE editing some stuff out the way Charu would've edited out stuff about his role
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literal HOURS and HOURS of work and something as small as using a space before a question mark or not could out that the log is fake because Haku types in an extremely specific way
its just not fair
its a clear imbalance and I think there's not a great way to get it to work well within the confines of the gameTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
I mean if you feel that way, keep information share off. If a host feels different they can switch it on and people can either sign up knowing the risk or decline not wanting any part of it.
But yeah, if you word the base, default rule as "Host made or moderated chats" you should have the exact rule you described before written in a concise, none interpretive way.
EDIT actually the rules should probably have a mock game setup that showcases and explains what the default rules are, so that if signups fail to address it the mods know exactly what ruleset to fall back on and no one can claim there wasn't precedent.
EDIT EDIT: this isn't what we're talking about but Phantoms should be on by defaultLast edited by MixMasterLar; 08-26-2023, 10:36 AM.Comment
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Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [POST-GAME]
phantoms should be off by default
they don't punish inactivity, they punish activity, in a very roundabout way
people who put a lot into the game just lose in mylo/lylo to a wolfrush sometimes immediately because someone was a bit inactive and that was insanely frustrating to people back when phantoms were onTWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
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