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  • ZC_Wolfy
    FFR Veteran
    • Dec 2008
    • 384

    #1

    Layering

    Just curious about people prefer layering. Should jumps/hands be set as multiple sounds playing at once, or should jumps/hands be set to certain noises?
    11
    Place jumps at certain noises
    0%
    7
    Place jumps at multiple sounds playing at once
    0%
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  • bluguerrilla
    FFR Player
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Apr 2006
    • 3966

    #2
    Re: Layering

    Yes, honestly both.

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    • buizel8888
      FFR Player
      • Mar 2008
      • 1536

      #3
      Re: Layering

      both

      p. much if ya dont know when to use em on single sounds then go back to stepman bootcamp
      use them on multiple sounds as long as you are staying consistent with ya layering
      <%SSH|Korysar> does anyone else watch pornos for the soundtrack
      <Mehified> No offense to you tho xd
      <@Alive> i misunderstood the meaning of shiney instruments and he tole me to calm down
      <+lurker> if i want porno music
      <+lurker> i'll listen to the sonic 3 ost
      <%SSH|Korysar> LMFAO
      <sjoecool1991> ahaha

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      • N.T.M.
        FFR Player
        • Dec 2007
        • 890

        #4
        Re: Layering

        Poorly-worded question. It depends. You may do both.
        “Beware the irrational, however seductive. Shun the 'transcendent' and all who invite you to subordinate or annihilate yourself. Distrust compassion; prefer dignity for yourself and others. Don't be afraid to be thought arrogant or selfish... Suspect your own motives, and all excuses. Do not live for others any more than you would expect others to live for you.”

        Christopher Hitchens

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        • Tr44nc33
          FFR Player
          • Aug 2008
          • 152

          #5
          Re: Layering

          I had the same question, using both is fine.

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          • robertsona
            missa in h-moll
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Dec 2006
            • 3997

            #6
            Re: Layering

            Hehe i call it additive layering

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            • ZC_Wolfy
              FFR Veteran
              • Dec 2008
              • 384

              #7
              Re: Layering

              I'm not really asking which is more acceptable, but which people think makes for a more fun file.


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              S!!!" -
              SaguchiTheCat

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              • gnr61
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Oct 2005
                • 7251

                #8
                Re: Layering

                the first choice is not a form of layering. climax based stepping involves placing jumps, hands, or quads on more accentuated notes; in serious keyboard stepping its rare to find a file that utilizes this completely, but it is obviously very useful in distinguishing a particular sound when layering gets confusing with a series of single notes trying to go to many separate sounds. hands, similarly, can be used when there are 3 sounds playing at the same time -or- when there is a particularly accented sound (strong melody notes especially, not a great idea with percussion). quads should be used almost strictly for climactic purposes. there will be lots of times when there are 4 sounds landing at the same time, but those can just as easily be hands and be far less annoying to hit. i tend to keep quads isolated from other steps and use them very sparingly (this also lends the ones i do use more impact).

                all imo of course m.m
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                • moches
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2005
                  • 3996

                  #9
                  Re: Layering

                  Originally posted by gnr61
                  the first choice is not a form of layering.
                  Really?

                  Damn.

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                  • justin_ator
                    🥓<strong><span style="col
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 7648

                    #10
                    Re: Layering

                    I would say that it depends, some songs just call for a quad on a certain part, whether there are 4 noises or not. xD

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                    • Xx{Midnight}xX
                      FFR Player
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 8548

                      #11
                      Re: Layering

                      You forgot the option of NEITHER.

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                      • buizel8888
                        FFR Player
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 1536

                        #12
                        Re: Layering

                        Originally posted by Xx{Midnight}xX
                        You forgot the option of NEITHER.
                        You forgot that choosing this option leads to a TERRIBLE SIMFILE.
                        <%SSH|Korysar> does anyone else watch pornos for the soundtrack
                        <Mehified> No offense to you tho xd
                        <@Alive> i misunderstood the meaning of shiney instruments and he tole me to calm down
                        <+lurker> if i want porno music
                        <+lurker> i'll listen to the sonic 3 ost
                        <%SSH|Korysar> LMFAO
                        <sjoecool1991> ahaha

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                        • Zybanthia
                          FFR Player
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 809

                          #13
                          Re: Layering

                          I do both, and don't think either method is "better" than the other.

                          Originally posted by moches
                          Really?

                          Damn.
                          Yes, he's right; layering is a term that refers specifically to putting multiple layers of notes in one place. If you place an intensity-based jump to a single sound, it's still one layer.

                          Originally posted by buizel8888
                          You forgot that choosing this option leads to a TERRIBLE SIMFILE.
                          Everyone has to start playing somewhere. If you're making a newbie file, you probably SHOULDN'T do much of either, so who's to say if it's a bad file or not? It depends on who you're writing the file for. Some of the coolest newbie files I've played here don't use many jumps at all.

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                          • moches
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2005
                            • 3996

                            #14
                            Re: Layering

                            No, what I meant was after you step a melody and you're putting jumps to snares, if there's not a melody note when there's a snare, I'd put a jump there anyway. Too confusing otherwise. I made All of the World the 'true layering' way, and it was overstepped as **** and made little to no sense. So I'd say that the first one is valid layering.

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                            • skyfox_
                              FFR Player
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 354

                              #15
                              Re: Layering

                              all charts should be stream charts i play one handed dont blame me

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