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  • tricky77puzzle
    FFR Player
    • Jul 2007
    • 8

    #1

    4 4's puzzle

    Alright, so here's how the game is played:

    You're trying to make as many numbers as possible using 4 4's or less, in an attempt to try to prove an old theory: "You can make any whole number using only four instances of the number four and commonly used mathematical symbols."

    So so far, the symbols allowed are:
    1. All standard mathematical operators (+-*/)
    2. Factorials (n! = n * (n-1) * (n-2) * ... * 2 * 1)
    3. Square roots, arbitrary roots (the index is included in the 4 4's)
    4. Repeat signs (denoted with an apostrophe ' or grave accent `, ex. 0.3` = 0.33333.....)
    5. Exponentiation (denoted with a caret ^, 2^8 = 2*2*2*2*2*2*2*2, 8 2's)
    6. Decimals do not require a leading zero. So you could put .4 instead of 0.4.

    I'll start:
    0 = 4-4
    1 = 4/4
    2 = sqrt(4)
    3 = 4 - 4/4
    4 = 4
    5 = 4 + 4/4
    6 = 4 + sqrt(4)
    7 = 4 + 4 - 4/4
    8 = 4 + 4
    9 = 4 + 4 + 4/4
    10 = 4 + 4 + sqrt(4)

    And the next person would continue from 11, 12, and so on, and introduce new symbols and explaining them if necessary.
  • megaxxx
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2006
    • 329

    #2
    Re: 4 4's puzzle

    Stuck on 11 eh? Fail.
    GET A JOB LOSER.

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    • tricky77puzzle
      FFR Player
      • Jul 2007
      • 8

      #3
      Re: 4 4's puzzle

      No I'm not stuck on 11. I just want the next person to continue.

      11 = 44/4
      12 = (44 + 4) / 4
      13 = 44/4 + sqrt(4)
      14 = (4!) / sqrt(4) + sqrt(4)
      15 = 44/4 + 4
      16 = 4 * 4
      17 = 4 * 4 + 4/4
      18 = 4 * 4 + sqrt(4)
      19 = 4! - 4 - 4/4
      20 = 4! - 4

      And so on...

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      • Fractal_Monkey
        FFR Player
        • Apr 2005
        • 464

        #4
        Re: 4 4's puzzle

        I remember doing this as a personal project in high school, except that I used exactly 4 4s for each number. As far as I can recall, 113 is the smallest number that can't be done using those rules. Anyway, it goes something like...

        21 = 4! - 4 + 4/4
        22 = 4! - sqrt(4) (*4/4)
        23 = 4! + 4/4 - sqrt(4)
        24 = 4! = (4 + 4 + 4) * sqrt(4)
        25 = 4! + 4/4 = 4! + sqrt(4) - 4/4

        etc.

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        • rushyrulz
          Digital Dancing!
          FFR Simfile Author
          FFR Music Producer
          • Feb 2006
          • 12985

          #5
          Re: 4 4's puzzle

          28= 4!(4/4)-4


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          • tricky77puzzle
            FFR Player
            • Jul 2007
            • 8

            #6
            Re: 4 4's puzzle

            29 = 4! + 4 + 4/4
            30 = 4! + 4 + sqrt(4)
            31 = 4! + 4/.4' - sqrt(4)
            32 = 4 * 4 + 4 * 4
            33 = 4! - 4/.4'
            34 = 4! + 4 + 4 + sqrt(4)

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            • Kotarouchan
              I only need 3 seconds :)
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Feb 2005
              • 2030

              #7
              Re: 4 4's puzzle

              35 = 4! + 44/4
              36 = 4 + 4 + 4 + 4!
              37 = 4! + (4! + sqrt(4))/ (sqrt(4))
              38 = 4! + 4! + 4/.4
              39 = 4! + 4!/(4*.4)
              40 = 44 - sqrt(4) - sqrt(4)
              41 = (4! + sqrt(4))/.4 - 4!
              42 = 44-4+sqrt(4)
              43 = 44 - 4/4
              44 = 44 - 4 + 4
              45 = 44 + 4/4
              46 = 44 + 4 - sqrt(4)
              47 = 4! + 4! - 4/4
              48 = 4! + 4! + 4 - 4

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              • Kit-
                Private College
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2006
                • 536

                #8
                Re: 4 4's puzzle

                I was going to write an exciting proof, but then I realized that (4!!!!!!!!!)! + 4!!!!!!!!! + 3 is impossible to get anyways.
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                • .rouge
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 20

                  #9
                  Re: 4 4's puzzle

                  49 = 4! + 4! + 4/4
                  50 = 4! + 4! + sqrt(4)

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                  • gabgabo
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 1811

                    #10
                    Re: 4 4's puzzle

                    .rouge don't bump old topics.

                    Click here to feed me a Rare Candy!

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                    • Doug31
                      Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!!
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 6811

                      #11
                      Re: 4 4's puzzle

                      Originally posted by Kit-
                      I was going to write an exciting proof, but then I realized that (4!!!!!!!!!)! + 4!!!!!!!!! + 3 is impossible to get anyways.
                      That is possible. You just have to use (4!!!!!!!!!)! + 4!!!!!!!!! + 4 - the infinitieth root of 4 lolz.

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                      • archbishopjabber
                        FFR Player
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 268

                        #12
                        Re: 4 4's puzzle

                        51= (4! - 4 + .4)/.4
                        52= sqrt(4)(4!) + 4
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                        • Doug31
                          Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!!
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 6811

                          #13
                          Re: 4 4's puzzle

                          53= (4! - sqrt(4))/.4 - sqrt(4)
                          54= 4!/.4 - 4 - sqrt(4)
                          55= (4! - sqrt(4))/.4
                          56= 4!/.4 - 4
                          57= (4! - sqrt(4))/.4 +sqrt(4)
                          58= 4!/.4 - sqrt(4)
                          59= 4!/.4 - 4/4
                          60= 4!/.4
                          61= 4!/.4 + 4/4
                          62= 4!/.4 + sqrt(4)
                          63= (4! + sqrt(4))/.4 - sqrt(4)
                          64= 4!/.4 + 4
                          65= (4! + sqrt(4))/.4
                          66= 4!/.4 + sqrt(4) + 4
                          67= (4! + sqrt(4))/.4 + sqrt(4)
                          68= 4!/.4 + 4 + 4
                          69= (4! + sqrt(4))/.4 + 4
                          70= (4! +4)/.4

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