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  • Stewie7Griffin
    FFR Veteran
    • Jun 2006
    • 191

    #1

    New song difficulty ranking system.

    I have a good idea, although kind of complex, on a good difficulty rating system. I don't think any song should be judged by a human, as every human is different. The best way I could think is to keep track of all scores on each song. Then calculate in the players average rank and overall rank, and calculate a good average ranking of the song. The song's rank would then change accordingly to the evolution of FFR and it's players. I've noticed some songs, from when I started were FMO, now they're Challenging. I find some Difficult songs to be Challenging and some Challenging songs to be Difficult. This system would create an average rank for each song.
    FMO FC's: 7
    The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy]
    Hajnal
    Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival
    Epidermis
    Strangeprogram
    Choprite
    Novo Mundo

    Could've swore I FC'd Thrash, but according to level stats it says I have 1 miss....
  • rushyrulz
    Digital Dancing!
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2006
    • 12985

    #2
    Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

    Inaccurate, different people have different strengths/weaknesses, causing a mass inconsistency. I do agree the difficulty system could use a rework, though.


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    • Stewie7Griffin
      FFR Veteran
      • Jun 2006
      • 191

      #3
      Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

      It'd be a lot more accurate than it is now, as it'd have an average ranking of each song.
      FMO FC's: 7
      The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy]
      Hajnal
      Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival
      Epidermis
      Strangeprogram
      Choprite
      Novo Mundo

      Could've swore I FC'd Thrash, but according to level stats it says I have 1 miss....

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      • duddychuck@yahoo.com
        Retired
        • Sep 2009
        • 1111

        #4
        Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

        Originally posted by rushyrulz
        Inaccurate, different people have different strengths/weaknesses, causing a mass inconsistency. I do agree the difficulty system could use a rework, though.
        I dont think its something that should be tampered with. If there should be a change have it be a more specific level of what there already is (Example: Gameboy Rave - 7.75 or Frictional Nevada 12.5) You get the idea

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        • Fantasticone
          D7 Elite Keymasher
          • Aug 2006
          • 6003

          #5
          Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

          Inaccurate, some songs been here longer then others making people have better scores on them.

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          • remedy1502
            remederpin
            • Feb 2007
            • 4884

            #6
            Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

            If based on avg rank on the song, SSSG and some other synth files would be weird as ****.

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            • cry4eternity
              ~ added for cuteness
              FFR Simfile Author
              • Jan 2007
              • 979

              #7
              Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

              If it could be done accurately, I kinda like the idea of dynamic scoring based on average scores on the song.

              I'm retired

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              • Patashu
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Apr 2006
                • 8609

                #8
                Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                thirdstyle is going to implement an algorithmically determined difficulty system in place of human ratings. watch out for that
                Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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                • jimerax
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  FFR Music Producer
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 8185

                  #9
                  Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                  Well I'd like to see actual calculation method by your suggestion, since from your post I can't imagine how it's done.

                  But it looks there're some issues on this.
                  First of alll, average ranks and overall ranks aren't accurate indicators of player's skill.

                  Complicated dynamic calculation of difficulties like that will require a lot of server source, and considering difficulties are frequently reffered parameters in the game, it will be difficult in terms of this.

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                  • Stewie7Griffin
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 191

                    #10
                    Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                    There could be two ratings for each song. There could be the 'Game rating' and the 'Average rating'. It'd display both ratings before you start them.

                    Also, on a side note, I wish the in-game display of the difficulty were a number, not parens. When I use the song list and get a song I don't know, I can't tell it's difficulty because all I see is a bunch of parens!
                    FMO FC's: 7
                    The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy]
                    Hajnal
                    Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival
                    Epidermis
                    Strangeprogram
                    Choprite
                    Novo Mundo

                    Could've swore I FC'd Thrash, but according to level stats it says I have 1 miss....

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                    • Emo_Saur_
                      FFR Veteran
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 2952

                      #11
                      Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                      It's fine the way it is IMO.
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                      • HoneyMelonCalibrator
                        Arrow Theory™
                        • Feb 2009
                        • 905

                        #12
                        Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                        Instead of parens, how about feet? Or maybe fingers would be more appropriate?
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                        盛者必衰のことわりをあらはす。
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                        • trumaestro
                          I don't get no respect
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 1332

                          #13
                          Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                          or maybe scrap that display altogether because the difficulty is already shown beside the name of the song

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                          • tofurox
                            Them arrows.
                            • May 2006
                            • 2263

                            #14
                            Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                            Change is bad. Well at least this change is. Can't wait to see what's in store at ThirdStyle!

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                            • Patashu
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 8609

                              #15
                              Re: New song difficulty ranking system.

                              In the long run a difficulty system based on rating by how well people do on it is self-correcting. If people see a file that is rated too low and think 'aha, I can do this' then try it and do badly, it will be rated higher until it stops happening. If people see a file that is rated too high and think 'wow, this is a XX? I can AAA this easily' then it will slowly be pushed down.
                              Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker:
                              http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world
                              http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png
                              Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1)
                              http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

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