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  • dore
    caveman pornstar
    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Feb 2006
    • 6317

    #1

    BS CBs

    I've been trying to FC 100BB with a decent PA, and this has happened:



    Nothing out of the ordinary right? I just booed out after I missed one. The problem is, I missed the 12th arrow! (the second of a set of jacks). How exactly does that happen?

    EDIT to be slightly more informative: On the second set of jacks, I get (sometimes) a good, an average and a miss, in a 2 arrow jack that I combo (the jack is the 11th and 12th arrows, respectively, and I get a 12 combo, but still miss one).
    Last edited by dore; 08-13-2006, 02:20 AM.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw
  • Shashakiro
    TWO THOUZAND COMBO
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Aug 2005
    • 9082

    #2
    Re: BS CBs

    This is known as the "jack glitch" in FFR. What it means is that whenever there are two arrows that are close enough to form a jack, it's much harder to hit it because of how the game works. Basically, the second arrow has priority over the first, so if you hit ANY part of the second arrow's timing window (usually you'll hit its Average window) then it'll register the second arrow and miss the first one. Note that when the arrows are so close that the second arrow's Average window overlaps the entire Perfect window of the first arrow, it is impossible to get a Perfect on the first arrow, and therefore impossible to AAA the song. There are a handful of songs like this, and 100 Bar Blackout is one of them. To hit this kind of jack, you'll just have to hit the first arrow very early and get a Good.

    The glitch has been around for a long time, and will hopefully be fixed in 3rd Style.
    4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

    Originally posted by Boogiebear
    use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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    • Tasselfoot
      Retired BOSS
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Jul 2003
      • 25185

      #3
      Re: BS CBs

      FYI... there are 2 instances of this in 100bb. the 11/12 arrows and the 107/108 arrows.
      RIP

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      • dore
        caveman pornstar
        FFR Simfile Author
        FFR Music Producer
        • Feb 2006
        • 6317

        #4
        Re: BS CBs

        I know that, Shash, the problem is that I get a good, and average, and a miss for 2 arrows.
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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        • Doug31
          Falcon Paaaauuuunch!!!!!!
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Jun 2004
          • 6811

          #5
          Re: BS CBs

          If you hit the first one late enough that it thinks you hit the second one, then, no matter what you do after that, it seems you are guaranteed get at least one miss.

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          • Shashakiro
            TWO THOUZAND COMBO
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Aug 2005
            • 9082

            #6
            Re: BS CBs

            Originally posted by dore
            I know that, Shash, the problem is that I get a good, and average, and a miss for 2 arrows.
            You're getting an average for the second arrow and then a goodmiss (yes it's possible to get these) for the first one.

            and no matter what you do, hitting the second arrow of a jack first will "teleport" the first one into its goodmiss window...if you hit really fast you'll get the goodmiss, otherwise you'll just get a miss.
            Last edited by Shashakiro; 08-14-2006, 09:41 PM.
            4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

            Originally posted by Boogiebear
            use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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            • dore
              caveman pornstar
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Feb 2006
              • 6317

              #7
              Re: BS CBs

              Ah... I'd never heard of goodmisses before
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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              • Shashakiro
                TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2005
                • 9082

                #8
                Re: BS CBs

                Basically, this is the timing window in FFR:

                --------|--------|------------------|----|----|--------------
                Average....Good...........Perfect.........Good G+M...Miss

                Not sure if an Averagemiss is possible, will try.
                4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

                Originally posted by Boogiebear
                use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                • Litodude
                  FFR Player
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 4548

                  #9
                  Re: BS CBs

                  damn, shash just made it so clear.
                  Originally posted by t-rogdor
                  i finally got a weed hookup again and i texted the dude asking where to meet him tomorrow and the dude just said "out west"

                  dude
                  out west?
                  the fuck kinda location is west?
                  am i buying weed off a gotdamn pirate


                  Originally posted by lurker
                  remind everyone that i am an outed racist neo-nazi who no one in their right mind should ever interact with in any way whatsoever

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                  • Tasselfoot
                    Retired BOSS
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 25185

                    #10
                    Re: BS CBs

                    almost 100% sure you can't get an average from hitting too late.
                    RIP

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                    • scottish
                      FFR Veteran
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 3257

                      #11
                      Re: BS CBs

                      The only way to settle this is to hit early, and get goods. It's nearly impossible to hit them all perfs, just like gradeus, nova, omw, hellbeat, caprice..etc...

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                      • dore
                        caveman pornstar
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Music Producer
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 6317

                        #12
                        Re: BS CBs

                        Yeah I know... the time this happened was when I forgot that...
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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                        • Shashakiro
                          TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Aug 2005
                          • 9082

                          #13
                          Re: BS CBs

                          Originally posted by scottish
                          The only way to settle this is to hit early, and get goods. It's impossible to hit them all perfs, just like gradeus, nova, omw, hellbeat, caprice..etc...
                          fixed
                          4th Official FFR Tournament - Master division champion!

                          Originally posted by Boogiebear
                          use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                          • dore
                            caveman pornstar
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 6317

                            #14
                            Re: BS CBs

                            Originally posted by Shashakiro
                            Quote:
                            Originally Posted by scottish
                            The only way to settle this is to hit early, and get goods. It's impossible to hit them all perfs, just like gradeus, nova, omw, hellbeat, caprice..etc...


                            fixed
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                            Hiyo, Crowdpleaser ;p
                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IREnpHco9mw

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