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  • TehWhack
    FFR Veteran
    • Aug 2003
    • 766

    #1

    Arrow Scroll Speed

    Hola FFR, I've come to make a poll about a long running issue with FFR. It may not be mandatory, but a change in FFR R1's arrow scroll speed could make the game far easier for the users. I realise that this question has been asked many times before, but this should be a serious suggestion/poll above the others. Not to eliminate the challenge of the game, but a higher constant scroll speed could:

    1. Make it easier on the user’s eyes.
    2. Make it easier to read overlapping arrows (a la revo etude)
    3. Make it easier to actually execute a proper jackhammers (i.e. sometimes when a jackhammer is too fast, the user will press to fast and early making the 1st, 2nd, etc. arrows a miss)

    Please correct me if I'm wrong but FFR runs at around a C300 scroll rate. I haven't seen any new player complain about it being too fast to date, and I have seen quite a bit of complaining about long time players unable to execute a hard song because it’s not fast enough. All I'm asking is to make it around C350 or C400; fast enough for hardcore players to be happy and still have a challenge, and not too fast for new players.

    This topic is not for the discussion of speed mods, this is for constant scroll rate. Vote and Discuss.

    P.S. - For those who don't know, "Scroll rate" just means how fast the arrows go up the screen.

    P.S.S. - This would be something the users could use for now before speed mods are introduced. Sure speed mods would be great, but this is just a temporary solution.
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    Yes, it should be faster than C400.
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    Yes, it should only be slightly faster, like C350-C400.
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    Yes, it shoudn't be faster, if anything it needs to be SLOWER.
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    No, it is fine the way it is.
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    Oh hay I used to play ITG
  • Afrobean
    Admiral in the Red Army
    • Dec 2003
    • 13262

    #2
    RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

    I think that an option of 2x would totally fix the issue. Veterans of FFR will use 2x (or C600, which is just about the most common speed mod used on SM) for added speed while the newbs could have their C300. I'm sure Synth is on it though.

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    • TehWhack
      FFR Veteran
      • Aug 2003
      • 766

      #3
      RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

      Yes, synth is onto making speed mods, but I'm taking about before that happens.
      Oh hay I used to play ITG

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      • DJRiDDeR
        God
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Sep 2003
        • 2215

        #4
        RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

        FFR With,
        1x, 2x, 2.5x, 3x, 4x, C350, C400, C500, C600

        Would be Perfect.

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        • TehWhack
          FFR Veteran
          • Aug 2003
          • 766

          #5
          Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

          Originally posted by DJRiDDeR
          FFR With,
          1x, 2x, 2.5x, 3x, 4x, C350, C400, C500, C600

          Would be Perfect.
          I boldified my main messege to answer your comment and probably everyone else's. It's easier to just put up the overall speed than to create 9 different speed mods.
          Oh hay I used to play ITG

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          • lightdarkness
            Summer!!
            • Jul 2003
            • 11308

            #6
            RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

            TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"

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            • TehWhack
              FFR Veteran
              • Aug 2003
              • 766

              #7
              Re: RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

              Originally posted by lightdarkness
              TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"
              I think a constant scroll rate would be easier because synth has already figured out how to make the arrows scroll at a certain speed while he has yet to figure out how to make speed mods.
              Oh hay I used to play ITG

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              • lightdarkness
                Summer!!
                • Jul 2003
                • 11308

                #8
                Re: RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

                Originally posted by TehWhack
                Originally posted by lightdarkness
                TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"
                I think a constant scroll rate would be easier because synth has already figured out how to make the arrows scroll at a certain speed while he has yet to figure out how to make speed mods.
                Didn't you read what I said? The FFR songs were converted at the current rate, if Synth wanted to change the constant rate that FFR scrolls at, EVERY FFR song would have to be reconverted, and I don't think we have all the original dwi files.

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                • dancingmaniac3
                  FFR Player
                  • Nov 2003
                  • 1873

                  #9
                  Re: RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

                  Originally posted by lightdarkness
                  Originally posted by TehWhack
                  Originally posted by lightdarkness
                  TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"
                  I think a constant scroll rate would be easier because synth has already figured out how to make the arrows scroll at a certain speed while he has yet to figure out how to make speed mods.
                  Didn't you read what I said? The FFR songs were converted at the current rate, if Synth wanted to change the constant rate that FFR scrolls at, EVERY FFR song would have to be reconverted, and I don't think we have all the original dwi files.
                  And that would lead to Chaos of hundreds of people spamming the forums with "WHAT HAPPENED TO TEH FFR SONGS???!!!" over. and over. and over. And for my 2 cents, i thought 2x was similar to C400, not 600...correct me if im wrong on that. Anyway, this wouuld be pretty cool if the arrow speeds were increased beacuse it would totally increase my scores on songs like uber rave and Revo n other crap. But since it seems almost impossible to be done, nothing we can do about it.

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                  • TehWhack
                    FFR Veteran
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 766

                    #10
                    Re: RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

                    Originally posted by lightdarkness
                    Originally posted by TehWhack
                    Originally posted by lightdarkness
                    TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"
                    I think a constant scroll rate would be easier because synth has already figured out how to make the arrows scroll at a certain speed while he has yet to figure out how to make speed mods.
                    Didn't you read what I said? The FFR songs were converted at the current rate, if Synth wanted to change the constant rate that FFR scrolls at, EVERY FFR song would have to be reconverted, and I don't think we have all the original dwi files.
                    Yes, I read what you said, I realise Synth would have to reconvert every song, but atleast he knows how to do that. It's always easier to do something that you know how to do verbatim, rather than figure out how to do something new. It's common sense, but I do see how it would still be difficult; although its still possible.

                    On a side note, I never knew that you couldn't take the DWI from FFR once its on. I'm not that good in using flash, so could you please explain by any chance?
                    Oh hay I used to play ITG

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                    • lightdarkness
                      Summer!!
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 11308

                      #11
                      Re: RE: Re: RE: Arrow Scroll Speed

                      Originally posted by TehWhack
                      Originally posted by lightdarkness
                      Originally posted by TehWhack
                      Originally posted by lightdarkness
                      TehWhack: The way the FFR songs are converted, it isn't easy just to make C400 instead of whatever FFR runs at, speed mods are the only solution (I think), and Synth is constantly trying to figure out a way to impliment them into "R1"
                      I think a constant scroll rate would be easier because synth has already figured out how to make the arrows scroll at a certain speed while he has yet to figure out how to make speed mods.
                      Didn't you read what I said? The FFR songs were converted at the current rate, if Synth wanted to change the constant rate that FFR scrolls at, EVERY FFR song would have to be reconverted, and I don't think we have all the original dwi files.
                      Yes, I read what you said, I realise Synth would have to reconvert every song, but atleast he knows how to do that. It's always easier to do something that you know how to do verbatim, rather than figure out how to do something new. It's common sense, but I do see how it would still be difficult; although its still possible.

                      On a side note, I never knew that you couldn't take the DWI from FFR once its on. I'm not that good in using flash, so could you please explain by any chance?
                      I don't have every dwi, and neither does Synth to reconvert...

                      You COULD get a dwi from a FFR file, but we don't have all the original FFR files either, and there is no converter from going from FFR to DWI.

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