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  • stavie33
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2006
    • 1925

    #1

    Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thread

    Well, I've noticed a lot of problems with the original list and I wanted a thread where the new list is on the front page (so I don't have to find what page I last posted the most updated list on) and where people can have a poll on whether or not a song should be a certain rating, today's song is the greatly debated, None Would Escape. 75 or 76? Now for the lists

    Original list with IMO necessary changes:

    70 (M) Adult's Sketchbook (869 Notes / BPM 45-115)
    70 (C) Classical Insanity (1101 Notes / BPM 175)
    70 (D2) Ascii Art Core (787 Notes / BPM 190)
    70 (M) Chlorophyll (1194 Notes / BPM 164)
    70 (S) Gradeus (1505 Notes / BPM 180)
    70 (D2) Get Down (1151 Notes / BPM 165)
    70 (D2) Epic (1175 Notes / BPM 170)
    70 (R) The Epidemic of Unexpected Relapses [Heavy] (1277 Notes / BPM )
    71 (M) Splash Beats (842 Notes / BPM 190)
    71 (D2) Air (1940 Notes / BPM 178)
    71 (D2) Klung Kung (1668 Notes / BPM 175)
    71 (D2) {I Don't Need You Anymore} (1960 Notes / BPM 45-180)
    71 (A) Shanghai Girl Of Meiji 17 (1919 Notes / BPM 140)
    71 (S) End Night (1126 Notes / BPM 150)
    71 (M) Szamar Madar (1094 Notes / BPM 174)
    71 (M) Pretty Green Onions (1604 Notes / BPM 193)
    71 (R) Cosmic Orchestra (1590 Notes / BPM 150)
    71 (A) The Games We Played, Part 3 (1301 Notes / BPM 21-230)
    71 (D2) Nova Pulser (762 Notes / BPM 180)[*]
    72 (D2) R176 (998 Notes / BPM 190)
    72 (M) Jelly Roll Blues (778 Notes / BPM 144)
    72 (S) Shihen (1030 Notes / BPM 198)
    72 (D2) Hero's Theme (w.i.p.) (1102 Notes / BPM 140)
    72 (A) The Games We Played, Part 1 (1189 Notes / BPM 25-190)
    73 (A) Monstrous Turtles! (1384 Notes / BPM 51.5-103)
    73 (A) Lunar Saturation (1095 Notes / BPM 185)
    73 (M) Pwntendo (1144 Notes / BPM 196)
    73 (M) Final Step (1916 Notes / BPM 150)
    73 (D2) Sympathizer (1928 Notes / BPM 200)
    74 (S) Blue Army (3330 Notes / BPM 182.2)
    74 (D2) M.A.M.A. (1263 Notes / BPM 175)
    74 (M) Garyuutensei (1168 Notes / BPM 86-200)
    74 (D2) X-Tinction (744 Notes / BPM 180)
    74 (C) Turkish March (1056 Notes / BPM 110-124)
    74 (D2) None Would Escape (1372 Notes / BPM 48-190)

    74 (M) HELLBEAT (504 Notes / BPM 200)
    75 (D2) Vertex BETA (1755 Notes / BPM 200)
    75 (S) Szerencsetlen (2223 Notes / BPM 174)
    75 (A) Balloon Fever (970 Notes / BPM 192)
    75 (S) For FFR (866 Notes / BPM 180)

    ---------------
    Master (6/6)
    ---------------
    [5.5/6 - For Masters Only]
    76 (M) Going On Spring Wind (1191 Notes / BPM 141)
    76 (M) Novo Mundo (1264 Notes / BPM 140)
    76 (M) Choprite (1796 Notes / BPM 100-200)
    76 (P) Silence (1482 Notes / BPM 140)
    77 (S) Lawn Wake IV (1059 Notes / BPM 217)
    77 (R) Southern Cross (2123 Notes / BPM 40-172)
    77 (S) K8107 (1071 Notes / BPM 180)
    77 (M) Hajnal (2000 Notes / BPM 174)
    77 (R) The Divine Suicide of K [Heavy] (2495 Notes / BPM )
    78 (D) Lawn Wake I (LW EP Edit) (1417 Notes / BPM 215)
    78 (S) Midnight Dragon (1396 Notes / BPM 180)
    78 (M) Epidermis (1277 Notes / BPM 200)
    78 (S) Rottel-da-station (1218 Notes / BPM 200)
    79 (P) AIM Anthem (736 Notes / BPM 110)
    79 (S) Strangeprogram (1442 Notes / BPM 215)
    79 (D2) Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran (1817 Notes / BPM 184)
    80 (D2) Exciting Hyper Highspeed Star (1337 Notes / BPM 180)
    80 (D2) RunnyMorning (SGX MIX) (1069 Notes / BPM 160)
    80 (C) Caprice (1300 Notes / BPM 400)
    80 (A) BB Evolution (2631 Notes / BPM 210)
    80 (M) Club (573 Notes / BPM 120)
    81 (C) Flight of the Bumblebee (862 Notes / BPM 398) (for background issues and jacks, it's harder than BB Evo, what's wrong with people? It's much harder than Club!
    81 (A) Final Fantasy Last Battle Festival (3648 Notes / BPM 49-196)
    81 (A) Mario Minor (2450 Notes / BPM 100-430)
    82 (A) 4 Chord Touhou (1796 Notes / BPM 175)
    82 (C) Piano Etude (Demon Fire) (1687 Notes / BPM 88-201)
    82 (R) Eradication (1342 Notes / BPM 200-220)
    83 (A) Big Blue (1370 Notes / BPM 226)
    83 (R) Blooddrunk [Heavy] (2275 Notes / BPM 180)
    83 (C) Piano Etude (Gymnastics) (1253 Notes / BPM 40-166)

    [6/6 - For Guru's Only]
    84 (D2) Crowdpleaser (1236 Notes / BPM 120)
    84 (M) Frictional Nevada (1325 Notes / BPM 225)
    84 (M) Ketsarku Mozgalom (1635 Notes / BPM 174)
    84 (R) Reality (921 Notes / BPM 259)
    84 (A) The Adventures Of Lolo (524 Notes / BPM 225)
    85 (S) Pants (3024 Notes / BPM 190)
    85 (M) Blue Rose (3622 Notes / BPM 170-180)
    87 (C) Grand Gallop Chromatique (2361 Notes / BPM 320)
    87 (C) Molto Vivace (1177 Notes / BPM 175)
    89 (C) One Minute Waltz (1057 Notes / BPM 160)
    90 (C) Revolutionary Etude (1600 Notes / BPM 148)
    91 (D2) Eclipse (Solar) (1445 Notes / BPM 165)
    95 (C) Death Piano (2453 Notes / BPM 43-200)

    New list:

    VD's:

    54 (D2) Utopia
    55 (A) Techno Green Greens
    55 (D2) Butterflies (short edit)
    55 (D2) Delta Beat
    55 (P) Oasis -Long Version-
    55 (P) Angel Stays on This Ground vocal remix
    55 (A) Vanishing Gungaroon
    56 (M) Indulgence
    56 (A) Lovers Reef
    56 (D2) Dr0p!
    56 (M) Grandolin
    56 (YTBM) Cyro Sleep
    56 (D2) Synic
    57 Remember 15 years ago
    57 (D2) Megascorcher

    C's:

    60 (M) Here's to Life Oni
    60 (R) Inside the Fire
    61 (D2) Into the Night
    62 (A) Toona Youkai Zenzen
    62 (A) Sword Strike
    62 (D2) I am Maid
    62 (S) [b]Shining Sky
    63 (D2) Infinity 301
    63 (YTBM) Nebula
    63 (A) Rumia, Sealed Youkai of the Night
    63 (R) Comfort Betrays
    63 (P) R8U another
    64 (P) Felys
    64 (D2) Shapeshifter
    64 (H) Brainwave
    64 (D2) Dokodemo Kawaii
    64 (P) Battle Theme #36
    64 (YTBM) Streets
    65 (YTBM) ABCDEath
    65 (M) Far Away From Home
    65 (D2) Tell me a Story (compendium mix)
    65 (M) Relic Expedition in Another Star
    66 (YTBM) Chaoz Japan
    66 (D2) Crystal Wind
    66 (P) Falsie, the Pseudo Science girl
    67 (P) Lapis ~the heaven's~
    67 (M) WAIWAI230
    67 (A) Gym Leader (RBY)
    67 (P) Toph's Opening remix
    67 (M) Fei Longer
    67 (M) Washamoose's OP

    VC's:

    68 (YTBM) Fighting For Control
    68 (D2) Nitrx
    68 (D2) Kamone 100%
    68 (A) Pure in Asia
    69 (M) Otter's Dance (Hot Root mix)
    69 (M) Fake Jazz
    69 (A) {Big Boss}
    69 (D2) Randomness Reactor 3
    69 (M) Ninja Lad
    69 (YTBM) Witches Hat
    69 (M) Gacha Gacha Figu@mate
    69 (A) Border of Maximum
    70 (D2) Speedcore Sunday
    70 (M) Do a Barrel Roll!
    70 (A) Casket of Star
    71 (M) We Wish You A Merry XMas (Jazzy Groove Mix)
    71 (D2) Happy Happy Shining Star!
    71 (P) Procrastination on Paper
    71 (R) Air Sul in G. Rock
    72 (D2) DMYK
    72 (A) Shining Sword
    72 (YTBM) Destined Marionette
    72 (YTBM) Nebula (she)
    72 (A) The Final Conflict
    73 (M) Purple
    73 (A) A World Of Piano
    73 (M) Piano X Forte
    73 (A) moon_child -Go with the flow-
    73 (D2) Crash the Beat!
    73 (D2) Illumination of the Sky
    73 (D2) Ievan Polka
    74 (YTBM) Run Through the Stream of Time
    74 (A) The Lunatic Princess
    74 (S) Szeretscetlen
    75 (A) Kil Stage
    75 (M) Keep In Mind
    75 (YTBM) Bus Rides With People
    75 (YTBM) Twelve
    75 (P) Kanon-Kanon

    FMO's:

    76 (M) Jeanie and Caroline
    76 (C) Black Key Etude
    76 (D2) Summer Time Perfume
    76 (D2) 300
    77 (A) Thrash
    77 (D2) Scythe of 13
    77 (YTBM) Largiloquent Dithyramb
    77 (A) Radio Heads
    78 (M) Church Bells
    78 (A) Night and Day
    78 (A) Battle Theme #37
    78 (P) Blue Violet
    79 (YTBM) Kyrie
    79 (H) Dead and Direct
    79 (P) Document 13b
    79 (A) Brandish Headless
    80 (P) Master Maid
    80 (D2) 3020
    80 (R) Bloodmeat [Heavy]
    80 (C) bmv .578
    80 (S) Bloodhounds on my Trail
    80 (YTBM) Perfect Cherry Storm
    80 (S) World Tour 2004
    81 (M) October
    82 (M) Silly Symphony
    82 (D2) Toxiferous Dystopia
    83 (P) Momentary Life
    83 (S) He's a Radical Rat

    FGO's:

    85 (P) Holy Orders
    85 (D2) Nomina Nuda Tenemus
    85 (A) Across Rooftops
    85 (M) Integraation
    85 (D2) Strawberry Sweetz
    85 (S) Planet Karma
    86 (M) I Hate The 80s
    86 (D2) Kidney Stone
    86 (D2) Little God Channel
    86 (D2) Necropotence
    87 (D2) Hardkore Atomic
    89 (YTBM) Schmollbluk
    91 (P) Counter Clockwise Chant Pattern
    92 (A) Almost There
    92 (C) La Campanella

    13th difficulty:

    96 (M) Reluctantly Accepting Temporary Overexhaustion

    Tokens:

    FMO:

    77 (T) Pianocore

    FGO:

    93 (T) Here we Go!!

    Skill Tokens:

    FMO's:

    76 (ST) OMW v2
    76 (ST) Disconnected Hardkore
    76 (ST) Gacha Gacha Hertz figu@radio
    77 (ST) Sonata Quasi Una Fantasia Mov. 3
    79 (ST) Nanairopanda v2

    opinions?
    Last edited by stavie33; 06-28-2009, 05:56 PM.
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  • stavie33
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2006
    • 1925

    #2
    Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

    Forgot to put in the poll, is it possible to fix that now? Question is:

    NWE: 75 or 76?
    It's getting better all the time
    I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
    The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
    You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
    Turning me round (Oh Oh)
    Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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    • i love you
      Live a wonderful life~
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Oct 2006
      • 7313

      #3
      Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

      This was actually mentioned in the thread EAG made. Jimerax said that he was going to update the list soon so don't worry too much about it.
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      • mhss1992
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2007
        • 788

        #4
        Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

        I completely agree with Klung Kung 2004 as 71. 69? What were they thinking?
        jnbidevniuhyb scores: Nomina Nuda Tenemus 1-0-0-0, Anti-Ares 1-0-0-0

        Best AAA: Frictional Nevada (Done while FFR was out, so it doesn't show in my level stats)

        Resting. I might restart playing FFR seriously someday.

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        • [TeRa]
          FFR Player
          • May 2007
          • 9922

          #5
          Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

          Yeah, fotbb doesn't have a single jack lul, though I surely agree it's harder than Club.

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          • MrMagic5239
            FFR Veteran
            • Feb 2007
            • 4096

            #6
            Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

            Silence should stay FMO, 100 ppl didn't even AAA it. I honostly don't think it is that hard, but ALOT of people find it hard.
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            • stavie33
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2006
              • 1925

              #7
              Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

              Originally posted by MrMagic5239
              Silence should stay FMO, 100 ppl didn't even AAA it. I honostly don't think it is that hard, but ALOT of people find it hard.
              it's still FMO, just lowest FMO, just fyi, the trills in FotBB result in four framers, which iirc, are considered jacks. Like the 32nd trills in Holy Orders, are they not just 16th jacks right next to eachother?
              It's getting better all the time
              I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain)
              The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain)
              You're holding me down (Oh Oh)
              Turning me round (Oh Oh)
              Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

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              • Coolboyrulez0
                VICES
                FFR Simfile Author
                FFR Music Producer
                • Aug 2006
                • 10042

                #8
                Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                I honestly don't think Lolo should be FGO. Look at the amount of other FGO AAAs
                It should be a borderline FMO :/
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                • Oni-Paranoia
                  No fucks
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 2440

                  #9
                  Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                  Lolo shouldn't be FGO because of length.
                  Club is easier than FOTBB (Constant trills V.S. 25 secs worth of jacks)
                  Klung Kung is simple, minor stream and chain jumps for about 3 mins.
                  NWE is worth an easy FMO

                  P.s.
                  I AAAed southern cross but I can't touch silence..

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                  • TC_Halogen
                    Rhythm game specialist.
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    FFR Music Producer
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 19376

                    #10
                    Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                    NWE = 74. Look at all of the other 75s and if you can tell me that NWE is harder than any of those, using concrete proof from the chart with an unbiased opinion, then I'll reconsider it being a 75. >_>;

                    I don't care what happens to Lolo, it's completely debatable because of the extremely short song length.

                    I definitely agree with you about FotBB: all blue notes, background issues, and you even have to hit off-sync in some parts to score on it properly.

                    71 (D2) Nova Pulser (762 Notes / BPM 180)[*]
                    Asterisk?

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                    • bluguerrilla
                      FFR Player
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 3966

                      #11
                      Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                      Originally posted by stavie33
                      it's still FMO, just lowest FMO, just fyi, the trills in FotBB result in four framers, which iirc, are considered jacks. Like the 32nd trills in Holy Orders, are they not just 16th jacks right next to eachother?
                      No, they aren't.

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                      • Xx{Midnight}xX
                        FFR Player
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 8548

                        #12
                        Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                        How is "67 (A) Gym Leader (RBY)" only a C? It's a VC due to the speed and how repetitive the patterns are which can easily get confusing. That intro's a bitch to. You also forgot to add KlungKung 2004 to "your list"

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                        • TC_Halogen
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                          • Feb 2008
                          • 19376

                          #13
                          Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                          About Holy Orders: At that low of a speed, they most definitely are not jacks--you'll stream goods if you try to take the trill as a jump jack.

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                          • who_cares973
                            FFR Player
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 15407

                            #14
                            Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                            hey guys how about we set songs that will determine the highest and lowest songs in a difficulty. like what they did with over the frail dream. that way when determining difficulty placement we can look at those two songs and compare the charts

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                            • Bluearrowll
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                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 7376

                              #15
                              Re: Unofficial FFR R1 Real difficulties ORIGINAL list changes vote and discussion thr

                              La Campanella should be switched with Almost There because the scores on both songs indicate that Almost There is easier.

                              top 10 on almost there takes about 35 goods while La Campanella takes a mash FC.
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