Crowdpleaser

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Re: Crowdpleaser

Only if they're about 3 weeks old.

there was already a thread about this

Guys stop acting like know everything. The thread you linked too was a brag thread. Using the search function wouldn't of helped much in his situation.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Crowdpleaser

No it's not. It's layered, and makes sense. There are ridiculous SM files that seem retarded, but are in technicality correct. Now, technicality =/= always fun or good, but EHHS is not a prime example of overstepping. It's perfectly doable by many people in the community with ease.

Overstepped is something like Death Piano or Revo.

p.s. "I can't do this chart" does not qualify as a good reason to say a chart is overstepped. "Nobody can do this chart" is different.

^ THIS. ^

I am SICK and tired of people complaining about how a chart sucks (in most cases, it makes PERFECT sense.) simply because they cannot do it. I mean, everyone is entitled to saying that they despise it, hate it, hope it dies, etc, etc (I <3 EHHS btw).

Back on topic--Crowdpleaser is totally FC'able, you just have to be able to vibrate trills. And seeing as how the trill's fastest section is only 1/4 of a measure long, it's not that hard.

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Re: Crowdpleaser

No it's not. It's layered, and makes sense. There are ridiculous SM files that seem retarded, but are in technicality correct.

Almost the entire ODIPack 2 being your prime example here. Planet Karma is so unfun it's not even funny. It's just like, "lol look guys i can step something realy really well and for some reason it's boring as ****."

[Patashu]

Re: Crowdpleaser

Almost the entire ODIPack 2 being your prime example here. Planet Karma is so unfun it's not even funny. It's just like, "lol look guys i can step something realy really well and for some reason it's boring as ****."

fine we'll only make files YOU find fun

I'll send word out to all the dark stepmania chancellors immediately

[rednanaki]

Re: Crowdpleaser

Excuse me, am I supposed to know every single thread that was created?
Whenever I create a thread, someone tells me that...

I think it's a sign.

[Xx{Midday}xX]

Re: Crowdpleaser

I think it's a sign.

A veritably significant sign. (Cowfreak has a point, but if it's every time, I'm sure there's a problem.)

If there are videos that demonstrate "vibration", I would be glad to take a look at it... I don't comprehend the term or its method. The brief period of "vibration" in the CP videos are too short... Does it require certain keyboards? Arm/hand positions etc.

Random thought:
Death Piano is overstepped, in the sense of human capability... but even the SM file doesn't incorporate all of the first/second piano, not to mention any of the third/fourth. The 12th jump jacks in the FFR version would need both Shash's interwoven runningmen AND 24th trills inside the jump jacks, to make it accurate to the song itself WITHOUT representing each piano with an arrow... <_> That's obviously not the only part missing arrows, but it's already a horrifying yet interesting thought.

Even if I do learn vibration, I won't be able to do vibration due to the structural deficiencies of my left hand, so I'll never FC Crowdpleaser.

[-KIDTHONG-]

Re: Crowdpleaser

i legitly fced it

[MrRubix]

Re: Crowdpleaser

That's actually one of the reasons I find myself playing files from older Stepmania eras. They were just more fun. A lot of the stuff coming out now just isn't my cup of tea. I don't like having a wall of bullcrap flying up my screen and then seeing how much of it I can hit by squeaking every last drop of energy from my fingertips.

Then again I enjoy playing for accuracy as opposed to playing for speed. Crowdpleaser is alright, but I just don't find megatrills to be *fun*, you know? There's really no pleasure to be had in vibrating your keys and trying to match it up with the arrow patterns enough to maintain a combo. Files that challenge my accuracy and have steps that make it feel like you're "playing" the song are a lot of fun (by "playing" the song I mean how you'd be tapping your hands to it if you were just drumming on a desk, jamming out on your headphones or something).

[Breakdown16]

Re: Crowdpleaser

Even if I do learn vibration, I won't be able to do vibration due to the structural deficiencies of my left hand, so I'll never FC Crowdpleaser.

This reminds me of a question I've had for a while but never asked. Is it okay to use one key layout but change styles while adhering to the same layout? How about a different layout? Midday, I was thinking you could play using the arrow keys (most of the song isn't too hard to play using the arrow keys) and then vibrate the trill one-handed, finally quickly reverting to spread after the megatrill.

[iceefudgesickle]

Re: Crowdpleaser

No it's not. It's layered, and makes sense. There are ridiculous SM files that seem retarded, but are in technicality correct. Now, technicality =/= always fun or good, but EHHS is not a prime example of overstepping. It's perfectly doable by many people in the community with ease.

Overstepped is something like Death Piano or Revo.

p.s. "I can't do this chart" does not qualify as a good reason to say a chart is overstepped. "Nobody can do this chart" is different.

Correct technicality does not make the chart overstepped/understepped. You could take a song with 4 different beats going on at the same time, and make one beat = all four arrows, another beat = three arrows, another beat = two arrows, and the last beat equal one arrow. Technically speaking, it makes sense, but it's still overstepped.

EHHS isn't the prime example of overstepping, that would be Death Piano or One Minute Waltz or something akin to that, but it's definitely the file that is the least fun for me to play. It isn't because I can't do it, because I can keep a combo throughout most of the song without mashing, it's just that I think it's stupid.

Seriously, though, Death Piano shouldn't be in the game, or it should have been a token or something. It's just plain dumb.

[Patashu]

Re: Crowdpleaser

Vibrating:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUO7dKLPV2s

(watch to the end)

[iceefudgesickle]

Re: Crowdpleaser

That's actually one of the reasons I find myself playing files from older Stepmania eras. They were just more fun. A lot of the stuff coming out now just isn't my cup of tea. I don't like having a wall of bullcrap flying up my screen and then seeing how much of it I can hit by squeaking every last drop of energy from my fingertips.

Then again I enjoy playing for accuracy as opposed to playing for speed. Crowdpleaser is alright, but I just don't find megatrills to be *fun*, you know? There's really no pleasure to be had in vibrating your keys and trying to match it up with the arrow patterns enough to maintain a combo. Files that challenge my accuracy and have steps that make it feel like you're "playing" the song are a lot of fun (by "playing" the song I mean how you'd be tapping your hands to it if you were just drumming on a desk, jamming out on your headphones or something).

This.

You put my exact thoughts into a good description, Rubix. Way to go.

Jacks are okay-super-mega-fine-alright when there's just two or three in a row, or even if there's a short burst so long as it isn't RIDICULOUSLY fast, but Crowdpleaser, Hardkore Atomic, Death Piano, and Revo (I'm sure I'm missing some but those are the main ones) just aren't any fun to play because of their ridiculous jacks. Club is about as fast as I can take it before I just forget about it and move on to something else that I can actually have fun playing. I assume the point of FFR is to have fun, so making it a chore isn't my plan.

RunnyMorning and Molto are also files that could be better without those damn jacks. I don't care if they make sense with the music or not. Both files are fun to play, but if they released a V2 with colored notes and the jack parts gone, they would be some of my most played FFR songs ever.

[[TeRa]]

Re: Crowdpleaser

I've never felt like I'm playing the song, I must be crazy.
Jacks are fun, vibrating is fun, everyone just hates both because they're bad at them, practice.

Edit: Lemme rephrase that, accurate jacking and accurate vibrating are fun, just mashing keys senselessly is stupid, vibrating the speed to AAA a 200bpm 32nd trill is fun, wrist jacking the exact speed of some jack to AAA it is fun.

[Patashu]

Re: Crowdpleaser

I've never felt like I'm playing the song, I must be crazy.

you don't have an appreciation for art :[

[[TeRa]]

Re: Crowdpleaser

No I'm just not crazy enough to think that the keys I'm hitting on my keyboard are what's making the sound come out my speakers. If it was IIDX/Popn and the keys I pressed made sounds, then maybe I would get more of this feeling.

Also if my keys could light up when I pressed them, that would be cool.