Good PA?

[d4u7211]

Re: Good PA?

thats not bad of a PA. from 5-9, 50 games, and 1000 goods, not bad, but if you calculate that, its about 1 good per 50 steps. btw, if you got that ratio with 9-11, then i would definitely applaud you. you need to work on comboing a little better though. perfect combos with 50 games would be great, so try raising your point ratio. 50 games can potentially get you 100 mil...maybe not 5-9 difficulty, but misses dont help when your PA'ing a song, because i mean seriously, your score doesnt matter without a perfect combo. keep doing this though, your PA WILL increase a lot more.

[rauchster]

Re: Good PA?

thats not bad of a PA. from 5-9, 50 games, and 1000 goods, not bad, but if you calculate that, its about 1 good per 50 steps. btw, if you got that ratio with 9-11, then i would definitely applaud you. you need to work on comboing a little better though. perfect combos with 50 games would be great, so try raising your point ratio. 50 games can potentially get you 100 mil...maybe not 5-9 difficulty, but misses dont help when your PA'ing a song, because i mean seriously, your score doesnt matter without a perfect combo. keep doing this though, your PA WILL increase a lot more.

Thanks for the advice, although I have no idea what you mean by "btw, if you got that ratio with 9-11, then i would definitely applaud you."
I have never bothered learning most of the FFR lingo, so no idea what 9-11 in that case means.

I'm trying to focus more on my accuracy than my FC's. Which is why not all of them were FC's, and also some of them were damn tough (for me) FC's.

[EgomaniaCircus]

Re: Good PA?

Thanks for the advice, although I have no idea what you mean by "btw, if you got that ratio with 9-11, then i would definitely applaud you."
I have never bothered learning most of the FFR lingo, so no idea what 9-11 in that case means.

I'm trying to focus more on my accuracy than my FC's. Which is why not all of them were FC's, and also some of them were damn tough (for me) FC's.

He means Challenging-FMO. Which is actually an incredibly large spread of file difficulty. Not that I can really tell the difference anymore... =/

[rauchster]

Re: Good PA?

Ah - understood.
Yeah, 9 thru 11 does have a massive difference in skill.
But following advice given here, I took a song that I can't FC, and have crappy PA (for your standards anyways), Blue Army.
Played it 10 times in a row, no breaks. BTW, as a side note, my hands really hurt right now.

First: ------------------- 3,029 - 243 - 38 - 20 - 71 520 2,247,245 9/17/08
Best: (8th run) ---------- 3,070 - 212 - 35 - 13 - 54 809 2,552,615 9/17/08

Already a noticeable difference, and boy that'll build up your stamina damn fast.
My arms hurt too much to do any more typing.

[revolutionomega]

Re: Good PA?

Just look at expert players and ask yourself if your PA is any good. Easy as that.

[s0ulst0n3]

Re: Good PA?

I don't like the tips some people are giving you here.

If you are going for PA, don't go for harder songs, that's just dumb. Obviously your PA will be worse. If you have trouble AAAing a song, try a song a little easier. Focusing yourself on the framing and not senselessly pushing buttons and "hoping" to get them as perfects doesn't teach you how the framing system works, and I had to figure this out the hard way. AAA Easiest songs. Then, slowly move up the difficulty scale. Trust me, it will help your PA a lot. I'm not saying you can't play harder songs, heck I even recommend it to keep your speed up! But when it comes to accuracy..that's the most effective method you can use.

Try to make sure you don't give this person sour advice, if you are not sure about something, keep it to yourself. Not being mean at all, but it's better to be safe.

As for your scores I saw you post...your PA is decent. You consistently get between 20-50 on songs that are of Very Difficult. I would suggest this:

1) Play challenging songs such as Uber Rave and CIA Rave, and try to FC with no boo's the best you can. Attempt at least 5 games of Challenging songs or Very Challenging songs every day.
2) Try to work on lower songs in the same day, but work on this more frequently so your PA doesn't turn crappy. It may be boring, but it will help in the long run.
3) If you are expecting to get very good at this game, such as FCing/AAAing FMO's, I suggest applying yourself a speed mod, or up yourself if you haven't already. So many people say it doesn't make a difference, but I can assure you it does. It makes it easier to read, and AAAing FMO's are so much easier. I'm going to give you a couple examples of a pro on 1x (Tass) and a pro on 2x (Me, not being arrogant). The way it goes, is good-average-miss-boo in case you didn't know.

Strawberry Sweetz (FGO):
Tass = 84-2-1-21
Soul = 17-1-0-6

Pants (FGO):
Tass = 124-24-0-90
Soul = 8-0-0-1

Caprice (FMO):
Tass = 34-4-0-9
Soul = 1-0-0-0

Not being a prick here, just comparing to show you the difference. He plays 1x, I play 2x as I stated. It's not that he's bad, not at all, it's just he has trouble reading patterns. I don't know why he won't change, but I do know he would if he wanted to get better, as would you. Keep these words of advice strongly, as I assure you I know what I am talking about.

EDIT: I didn't mean that first part to offend anyone here in any way, I just saw one small sour tip and neglected the rest of them. You should respect everyones opinion and I was in the wrong with that, although I find this method works extensively well and quickly.

~Soul

[Fantasticone]

Re: Good PA?

Pants
Soul = 8-0-0-1

xD.

[rauchster]

Re: Good PA?

Thanks soulston3, I know you're a god amongst us mortals.
As far as current playing style, I play at 1.75x. I suppose I could move up, and I'm sure I will eventually. I also play Spread with QWOP as left down up right respectively.

And about playing the easier songs in order to up my PA, I've found that when I play song 7 or lower, I start to get bored. And songs 1-2-3 I can't focus since it's so slow.

What my strategy has been so far, (and worked at least decently, I'm not godlike, but I'm a helluva lot better than I was about one year ago). I would play a song just above my skill level, and try to read it as best I could. If I could FC with less than 1 boo per 250 notes, and at least 10-1 Perfects-Others, then I would move up a difficulty.

Right now, the song I'm using for my speed and rhythm training is Blue Army.
First: ------------------- 3,029 - 243 - 38 - 20 - 71 520 2,247,245 9/17/08
Yesterday's Best: -------- 3,070 - 212 - 35 - 13 - 54 809 2,552,615 9/17/08
Today's Best: -----------3,116 - 185 - 26 - 3 - 62 1,508 3,271,935 9/17/08

As you can see, I've already improved my Perfects by 2.8%, and slashed my Goods by nearly 25%, and almost tripled Max Combo.
I'll go until I either FC it with only a few boo's (about 12-15) or get 3250+ perfects.

And - as a completely irrelevant and off topic question. Did you play Knight Online soulston3? Because I remember being friends with a guy named SoulSton3 on a couple private servers. Just curious.

[Xiaounlimited]

Re: Good PA?

Don't only play simple stream - you'll also want to practise PA'ing rainbow coloured songs, such as Final Step, Piano X Forte, etc.

Those will bite you hard.

[edit]
p.s. Kissing ass is nice, but it's kind of annoying. Even when I receive it.

[GG_Guru]

Re: Good PA?

thanks soulston that really helped me out a little

[s0ulst0n3]

Re: Good PA?

First off, I never played Knights Online. It's probably just a coincidence, hehe.

Secondly, do you see your problem with your accuracy training? You are practicing on a song you get 50+ boos on and roughly 200 goods on. Yes, everyone gets bored on easier songs, but you need to learn the timing windows correctly if you REALLY want to AAA songs. I used to AAA easy songs such as Lovely Lovely Lovely, Dot Death, CIA Rave, etc. and I didn't know much about framings/windows. After getting a couple tips off of some FFR Gods, I improved dramatically. Just from practicing easier songs and slowly escalating (while keeping my speed moderate), I found myself from barely AAAing VC's to AAAing or BFing FMO's on almost every run.

It will obviously take time. It will be a long and painful journey to the top, I can assure you. If you feel your method works for you, then that is great! I personally believe you are taking the long road though, and not the shortcut. At your skill level, I would try AAAing some standards. Try to AAA Secret Zombie Room, She Bangs, One Last Battle (watch out for slowdown at end). If that is still too difficult, try going down to easys.

Once you get to my level, it gets more difficult to improve. You don't need to worry about that right now, it's a lot more complicated. If you are just going for speed, go at the pace you are going. As for accuracy, you are making this way too hard on yourself and playing songs harder than your skill level can cause you too hit way too early trying to keep combo. This is can remain a problem, which is what I had back when average misses were around. I had to hit very early to FC songs such as Molto, and that screwed up my PA. I had to start from the top when the time came around.

Don't let that happen to you too, unless you are willing to go the extra mile. I wish you luck.

EDIT: No problem GG_Guru.

EDIT2: Xiao, I was just trying to relate to his skill level. As you can see, he has trouble PAing even VD songs, I had to be reasonable, but Xiao does have a point. Try to work on colourful streams and different patterns. I have a long explanation in some thread about this, I may look for it later.

EDIT3: Spelled Xiao's name wrong. x.x

EDIT4: Xiao pointed out stupidity, hehe.

~Soul

[Xiaounlimited]

Re: Good PA?

..what is there to learn about the framing system?

FFR runs at 30 fps.

Avmisses no longer plague us.

What the hell are you on about?

[s0ulst0n3]

Re: Good PA?

..what is there to learn about the framing system?

FFR runs at 30 fps.

Avmisses no longer plague us.

What the hell are you on about?

That's what I call it, the:

Miss/Boo
Good
Perfect
Perfect
Good
Average
Miss/Boo

I don't know the real term for it.

[Xiaounlimited]

Re: Good PA?

The timing window?

[s0ulst0n3]

Re: Good PA?

The timing window?

Lol there we go. Thanks.