Sampling Masters CHANG

[ninjaKIWI]

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stop fighting eachother, this thread isn't about how **** Bicycle break is.

[Cyanite]

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They follow the rhythm and that's it

Please explain how this makes any sense at all.

The three fundamental sections of music are rhythm, melody, and harmony. However, in some sense, each one of them can have properties of the other two. Instruments used in certain pieces for rhythm (ie, piano) can have melodic and harmonic parts. Just the same, melodies and harmonies have a certain rhythm.

Now that is purely musically relevant. In FFR/Stepmania, the only thing you should step a file to is the rhythm. The only thing you CAN step a file to is the rhythm. You can't melodically step a file. You can't harmonically step a file.

seriously what the ****, unless you're wording something incorrectly or I'm completely missing something (which I'm assuming is what you'll go with) I don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Also, I usually step decent music instead of generic techno and Sharpnel.

Let Mom Sleep, Nice Nice Noise, BB Euro, J219, {Losing Touch}... those aren't "generic techno". That term in itself is relative to the person listening to it so further still it's worthless even bringing it up.

[stargroup100]

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This is exactly what I mean by generic. You pretty much just showed everyone you don't know enough about stepping.

Please explain how this makes any sense at all.

Gladly.

The three fundamental sections of music are rhythm, melody, and harmony.

First of all, it's not rhythm, melody, and harmony. The 4 fundamental characteristics are pitch, rhythm, structure, and tone color. Go back to elementary school.

However, in some sense, each one of them can have properties of the other two. Instruments used in certain pieces for rhythm (ie, piano) can have melodic and harmonic parts. Just the same, melodies and harmonies have a certain rhythm.

Now that is purely musically relevant. In FFR/Stepmania, the only thing you should step a file to is the rhythm. The only thing you CAN step a file to is the rhythm. You can't melodically step a file. You can't harmonically step a file.

Well, since it's a piano is a melodic instrument, it has to have pitch and rhythm. Good job stating the obvious. If fact, technically, even percussion are pitched (like tom-toms).

When stepping a file, just stepping the rhythm is what makes a file generic. The most basic example is this thing called pitch-relevancy. I'm sure you've heard of it? Therefore, yes, you can melodically (or harmonically) step a file. If you couldn't, that kinda defeats the purpose of placement. If you want me to go in depth and write a novel for you, PM me.

Let Mom Sleep, Nice Nice Noise, BB Euro, J219, {Losing Touch}... those aren't "generic techno". That term in itself is relative to the person listening to it so further still it's worthless even bringing it up.

{Losing Touch}, Twilight Techno (this one especially), and some aspects of Sympathizer are generic. It is not relative to the person listening, it can be argued very strongly. These songs use very basic chord progressions that repeats over and over again, not to mention little variety in percussion. Again, I could write a huge essay for you if you'd like. PM me if you really want me to.

And, Sharpnel is generally not that great of a choice to step. Some songs have potentially very good patterns, but because they repeat over and over for about 8-16 measures, so they get a bit repetitive. I really don't mind if someone occasionally stepping it, but if they do it has to be very accurate. (which yours isn't)

So in conclusion, go back to elementary school until you learn a bit about music and work on your stepping techniques (which is probably how you manage to pump 20 files a day). If you want to debate do it over PM or something.

[behanjc]

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Lol. Thread gets nice towards the end

[smartdude1212]

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Needs more Hyrogashi.

[Tasselfoot]

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and yes stargroup... i am out to get you. i intentionally don't add your files. yup. you caught me.

[g4z33b0]

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am i cool

fuck no you aren't your files look like a 3 year old mashed the arrow 1 2 3 and 4 while their mom held the down key

the only thing you got right is that sharpnel songs are awful.

[dAnceguy117]

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hahahahahaha

oh ps

Do we have a blanket permission from canblaster/Sampling Masters CHANG?

[stargroup100]

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blah blah blah

...and what would you know? Using your logic, I could also criticize you saying you don't know how to make a file cause you don't have anything on FFR or anything uploaded to the database, but I'm not. Just because I made one really bad file a year ago suddenly I lose all my rights to criticize someone else?

Seriously though, show me you know something.

[TheSeventhSign]

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It's very odd reading Stargroup's posts. It's like he thinks there is one correct way to step a file. Perhaps Cyanite's files "only" go to the music, but that's an acceptable way to step.

And anyway, you only have two files in the game, 1 is bad (how old it is does not excuse its quality), and 1 is good. But I've played Cyanite's files and I, like many other people here on FFR, have enjoyed them (and I'm sure there's at least 1 in the bunch I didn't care much for as well). You calling him out on his approach to sstepping really just sort of shows how insecure you are about your own way of stepping, doesn't it? You have to bring other people's work down in an attempt to make yours look better.

You may have a great way of stepping, Stargroup, but seriously, so does Cyanite. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Seriously. I'm immature around here but you make me look good.

[stargroup100]

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It's very odd reading Stargroup's posts. It's like he thinks there is one correct way to step a file. Perhaps Cyanite's files "only" go to the music, but that's an acceptable way to step.

And anyway, you only have two files in the game, 1 is bad (how old it is does not excuse its quality), and 1 is good. But I've played Cyanite's files and I, like many other people here on FFR, have enjoyed them (and I'm sure there's at least 1 in the bunch I didn't care much for as well). You calling him out on his approach to sstepping really just sort of shows how insecure you are about your own way of stepping, doesn't it? You have to bring other people's work down in an attempt to make yours look better.

You may have a great way of stepping, Stargroup, but seriously, so does Cyanite. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Seriously. I'm immature around here but you make me look good.

You've misinterpreted the posts. I never said or implied that there was only one way to step. Basic example: I would normally have stepped PARANOiA retardedly difficult, but I stepped it easy on purpose. Voila, more than one way. Instead of making it index-friendly, I made it more spread biased. Voila, more ways.

Thinking there's only one way to step a file is limiting someone's creative expression, which is sort of like taking away someone's freedom of speech. Cyanite's files are bad not because the way he stepped it was incorrect, but because his files were creatively shallow. There's much he can do to make his files better, much better.

When you say that I'm bringing someone else down to make myself seem better, that's not in the least bit true. First of all, I know that's wrong, and even if I wanted to do that this thread would be the last place I would pick to do that. I teased him because he is always talking about how he wants to see a certain file of his in the game, and I felt like making a quick comment while I was on the topic. No one needed to overreact, but it got blown out of proportion. Me and Cyanite have talked before, he knows I don't say this stuff just to be mean.

If you still believe I'm being "immature," then fine. I really don't care. My point is, if people like his files, that's great, but there's a lot of improvement out there, aspects that won't limit his creativity.

[smartdude1212]

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I bet bmah's 101 Kittens is better.

[stargroup100]

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I bet bmah's 101 Kittens is better.

Actually, I will admit in certain ways it is better. Some of the patterns were more fun, and his choice of voicing is really cool. However, his syncing is a bit off, and there is a lack of consistency.

So it's actually really hard to decide. If we collab, we could probably make one sick-ass file, but for now, it's really hard to tell whose is better.

[smartdude1212]

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He said he changes the syncing to + or - a few off the actual syncing because if it's onsync in SM it's offsync in FFR etc.

Oh yeah I need to look through CanBlaster music and step something.

[stargroup100]

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Well, I meant that some of his rhythms are wrong, like in one spot he placed 32nd rolls where there are 24ths in the music, things like that.