Ranking system???

[Biff_tech]

K i think theres a few problems with the ranking system...
The first problem is its based on Total Grand Score not Average level rank.
The reason i say this is because with the total grand score anyone could become #1 if they just whored a song long enough, only 1 song, but with Average level rank they'd have to get it by playing everysong basically to perfection to get anywhere near number one *like scottish or shash*.
So i know you guys said that you weren't going to update R1 that much anymore but just think about this one.

*might not be in right place move at will*

-cheers
biff

[scottish]

Re: Ranking system???

This could either be here or suggestions.
Anyway, FFR Overall Rank was established wayy back, before there was a plethora of songs or users. Overall score is just something to go by, and yes, someone could sit there and whore one song all day and become 1st overall, but that doesn't mean that people aren't going to investigate and look at the highscores.
I believe someone suggested that FFR adds a "Overall Rank" based off of Average rank, which, would make sense, but cannot be done. I'll edit this if I find the thread.

EDIT: If you wanted to know why, read this.
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ad.php?t=51653

[Shashakiro]

Re: Ranking system???

Overall rank based on average is not going to happen for techincal reasons.

If you want to see ranks based on skill, check out the "Top FFR Players" thread. All the best active players are listed there.

[WillTalbot]

Re: Ranking system???

What if you get a good trying to fpc something and if you're like me, you can't wait till the end of the song to play it again so you hold down one of the arrows too boo out or just don't press anything and just die. That will affect you're average rank won't it? So maybe it's best to leave things the way they are, besides we can kinda determine who are the best FFR players by their scores.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Ranking system???

no. average rank only takes into account your best score on each song.

[Dronak]

Re: Ranking system???

True, overall rank is based purely on total points, which means an average player can get a good rank simply by playing a whole lot. However, better players will be able to score more points in fewer games, giving them an advantage at improving their overall rank and keeping a high ranking. So I don't worry *too* much about it being ridiculously biased. If I started catching up to a better player, he/she could pull away from me again in a lot less games than it took me to catch up to him/her. As noted, there are other measures of skill, like average rank, but they may not be as prominent as overall rank, which shows up in all the stat sigs. They may be better, but they can still have issues.

[DarkManticoreX2]

Re: Ranking system???

Only one exception to this rule

Lumphoboextreme

If you know what im talking about

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Ranking system???

there are a few other exceptions... but for the most part, the top ffrers are also the top overall rankers.

just look at the top10, top20, and even the top100... every single top player is in the top100 (again, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions).

[ieatyourlvllol]

Re: Ranking system???

*cough*

Yes, it generally follows a set trend.

The reason for not using the average rank instead of the overall rank is probably that doing the former would take many, many times more queries than just using overall rank, which is a single query.

[Dj_Black Pulse]

Re: Ranking system???

Maybe an average rank could be made which only takes into account songs that the player has played, but requires the player to have at least twenty games played or whatever. That way the players who don't care to play every song or haven't gotten to playing the new song(s) of the week can be ranked more fairly. The minimum amount of games played could be set so that the system would be extremely hard to game, but doesn't require so many songs played. I got this idea from how the official top fifty list is done at www.ffrcade.com. This could come in handy for many. It could have its own category like the Average Rank has, or it could replace it.

[Kat23]

Re: Ranking system???

It should be based off everything! not just score or average........

[windsurfer-sp]

Re: Ranking system???

Maybe an average rank could be made which only takes into account songs that the player has played, but requires the player to have at least twenty games played or whatever. That way the players who don't care to play every song or haven't gotten to playing the new song(s) of the week can be ranked more fairly. The minimum amount of games played could be set so that the system would be extremely hard to game, but doesn't require so many songs played. I got this idea from how the official top fifty list is done at www.ffrcade.com. This could come in handy for many. It could have its own category like the Average Rank has, or it could replace it.

Dude if you cant be bothered playing all the songs then your not going to be worried about ur avg. level rank. Yes someone could just whore ffr, but they aren't so the system is a decent estimation of skill, ecspically with avg. level rank.

[Tasselfoot]

Re: Ranking system???

well... speaking as the author of the ffrcade top50 system (coded by epete)... this is why it won't work:

FFRcade and FFR have about an equal number of games/files. FFR is in the 150s, FFRcade is in the 190s. BUT... FFR has over 1 million usernames. FFRcade has under 2000.

In either case, EVERY time someone wants to view that top100 or 50 list, the query is run (in FFRs case. In FFRcade's case, it is only updated if you click the update button).

Even if FFR adopted some sort of cached version like ffrcade where you didn't have to update it... every 1 update to the list would be like 500 updates to the FFRcade list. Not to mention the traffic that FFR has vs FFRcade... generally around 1000 users online vs 2 or 3.

Having a list based on average rank WOULD destroy the site and the server. End of story.

[Synthlight]

Re: Ranking system???

In order to effectively do this, we would need to cache all the level data and stat data in a php script and then organize them via arrays.. To cache them would probably take up to 2GB or 3GB of ram. Even then, it is a killer and is not really something that could be done in real time. MAYBE updated once a day at 4am.

Cheers,

Synthlight

[Biff_tech]

Re: Ranking system???

kk i understand now Average rank = death to FFR
overall score = ffr lives
thanks for answering my question without flames yay