Terminal Categorization

[rushyrulz]

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Sweet graphs Rushy !

I'll save the million questions for later if this happens to get some more work done but just out of curiosity why would you put trills and jacks together ?

Short answer: brevity

Long answer: IMO, trills and jacks require a lot of the same skillset, and trills are in essence just staggered jacks. Makes sense to group them together if one is trying to just get a first-glance impression. The actual category itself, if I were to implement it, probably wouldn't be called "jacks", but something else to convey that kind of patterning prevalent in jacks, trills, and anchor patterns. Sure we could have a decagon or something with every possible pattern imaginable, but that's info overload.

I think it's best to define the two or three most prominent features of a file to give a sufficient explanation of what will be going on in it.

[qrrbrbirbel]

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What rushy said about the brevity.

A nice secondary goal would be to have a graph like that for every song. To start I just want to do the songs that have a heavy influence in 1 or 2 categories (just something to point newer members or vets coming out of retirement in the right direction).

Trouble with jacks? Play these songs.

Lost your stamina? Play these.

Etc

[Antori]

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I'm kind of hyped to see more of those graphs they're really good

[rushyrulz]

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the graphs are easy if we have the data points

[xXOpkillerXx]

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Short answer: brevity

Long answer: IMO, trills and jacks require a lot of the same skillset, and trills are in essence just staggered jacks. Makes sense to group them together if one is trying to just get a first-glance impression. The actual category itself, if I were to implement it, probably wouldn't be called "jacks", but something else to convey that kind of patterning prevalent in jacks, trills, and anchor patterns. Sure we could have a decagon or something with every possible pattern imaginable, but that's info overload.

I think it's best to define the two or three most prominent features of a file to give a sufficient explanation of what will be going on in it.

Just be aware that one-hand trills and jacks are much more different than 2 hands trills and jacks, in terms of hand/finger movement.

[rushyrulz]

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Yeah that's true if you're a spread player.

[qrrbrbirbel]

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Yeah with the death of index this will be most useful for spread players RIP

[xXOpkillerXx]

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What is your plan of action if I may ask ? Other than waiting for an agreement on categories.

[qrrbrbirbel]

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After the agreed categories are in place I'm gonna play through each song starting at difficulty 30 and keep going until I reach level 70. I'll keep track of estimated categories and place them to start.

After I post my results I'll go through the whole list again 1 more time with the feedback I get in here to finalize categories.

After that would come filling in the other categories that didn't stand out and apply numeric values for all 5 (meaning the initial batch will just use a general YES/SOME/NO for the categories)

[rushyrulz]

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imean the way IIIIIIIIII would do it is to create a google sheet linked to a google form that allows people to submit their ratings which can all be aggregated in one spot allowing people to chip away at it whenever they want to until there's enough data to do anything with. That way, you can go on your one-man mission but also let others participate as well.

Completely willing to set it all up btw

[qrrbrbirbel]

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Sounds good to me!

[xXOpkillerXx]

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The thing is that if you manage to at least semi-formalize your categories, your classification can be coded in like a few hours. Maybe you'd be better off spending your energy on that instead.

[qrrbrbirbel]

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I have no mind for codes haha, damn machines keep taking my jobs! *shakes fist at air*

[xXOpkillerXx]

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I have no mind for codes haha, damn machines keep taking my jobs! *shakes fist at air*

LOL

Well I'm telling you it is doable, and would cut down your estimate 1 year by pretty much 360 days if you take a solid 4 days thinking about the categories in a more well-defined way, without them being 100% accurate.

EDIT:
Also, how many songs were you planning to categorize ? I'm asking because if you had in mind to pick a select few files for each category then it's probably great but the more files you'll want to classify, the more you'll have to make you categories well-defined because the files that Obviously fit in typical categories are pretty rare in the whole files db. Most will mix much more than a single prevalent pattern and therefore be way tougher to categorize, even by just looking at the file and playing it.

[rushyrulz]

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There is a level of subjectivity that can't be captured by code, but I think for a project like this it would work fine.