D7 Should be split into two different groups

[Dynam0]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

can be there a d0 ???

[SK8R43]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

I call D0 as my division, you all be jelly

[rushyrulz]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

D7 is already reserved for the elite of the elite.

[Mahou]

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Good points Eze.

But honestly, why split it anyway? Each division has their high to low players. Plus, people do improve like crazy in tournaments oddly enough.

[~Zeta~]

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d7 was large because of lenient placements. Would've been fine with the stricter placement of the tournament before.

[as eze said]

[yo man im awesome]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

I still want a bracket style official like the one posted by Mourning, I'd be fine with that

[One Winged Angel]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

since when has the meaning of tournament shifted from "let us find out who is the best" to "let us find out who is the best within an infinite and arbitrary set of population subsets the ultimate extension of which is to give everyone a trophy and a pat on the back and tell them they are a winner just by playing the game"

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The fact that players often go out of their way not to improve prior to an FFR tournament in an effort to manipulate divisional placements in their favor tells you there's obviously something wrong with the current setup.

It should logically be one division but that'll never happen. Although I agree that the skill gap from lowest D7 to highest D7 is far greater than any other division, barring maybe D1 but even then I think D7 is larger.

edit: actually D1 skill gap is probably the smallest in terms of average time it takes to progress to the next division. From a snapshot, lowest D1 (someone that can't pass Free Space) compared to highest D1 (which I'm assuming would be someone that can AAA files in the 20s or low 30s), the skill gap is quite large. However I've yet to see a player invest more than 6 months of time actively playing the game and not reach at least D2. Players at the bottom of D7 would need several years of playing the game, almost religiously, in order to reach the skill level of samurai or Dossar.

[Deidara837]

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The fact that players often go out of their way not to improve prior to an FFR tournament in an effort to manipulate divisional placements in their favor tells you there's obviously something wrong with the current setup.

It should logically be one division but that'll never happen. Although I agree that the skill gap from lowest D7 to highest D7 is far greater than any other division, barring maybe D1 but even then I think D7 is larger.

One of the problems with the prizes being so exclusive (larger divisions have upwards of 90 people signed up, top 5 get stuff) is that within a single division, it seems easier for people to get placed in a division and be in the top portion of that division to start with rather than be placed in the same division (middle/low skill level) and have to skillboost that much more to make up the difference in the beginning.

Granted it can be done with the decent amount of time the tourney takes, but if two people skillboost the same amount, yet one started higher than the other and are competing in the same division, they should still warrant similar awards. I feel like the Official Tournaments should support improvement rather than stagnation and sandbagging.

Example: Player A boosts from low D5 to low D6 in the tourney, Player B boosts from high D5 to low-mid D6 and is still able to beat out the player who boosted more. Player B places third and gets goodstuff, while Player A places 6th and gets shafted (aside from vRofl, but still).

[Fantasticone]

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Were not gonna have enough username colors if we keep adding more divisions.

[TC_Halogen]

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Its also unfair that any other division has low and high that have to face off as well. But if you have divisions that is what has to be done. I mean low d6 and high d6 are FAR off in skill and nothing is done about that, same with D1, etc
Just let it be, they are in D7 for a reason.

FFR has gotten complacent in a divisional placement system, where in other games/rhythm games, there are either two flights/divisions or simply no divisions at all.

(also: don't pull the "you're only saying this because you're D7" argument, because I've had to play in ITG tournaments for years and put up with placing horribly for years before actually doing anywhere near decent, as well as finding my niche for scripted mod reading)

since when has the meaning of tournament shifted from "let us find out who is the best" to "let us find out who is the best within an infinite and arbitrary set of population subsets the ultimate extension of which is to give everyone a trophy and a pat on the back and tell them they are a winner just by playing the game"

thank you; this is literally 100% how I feel, but I couldn't ever say something like that myself.

[hi19hi19]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

Man this is why I don't give a fuck about FFR as a skill to improve in, and just make files instead

The zen of creativity and all that

[Izzy]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

You can also not care about the game as a form of competition and just play for fun and your own accomplishments.

[choof]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

You can also not care about the game as a form of competition and just play for fun and your own accomplishments.

but competition is fun

[Izzy]

Re: D7 Should be split into two different groups

Yea, it is fine. It should probably just stay how it is because it isn't a big deal. I bet almost all the same people would still participate even if there were zero prizes and if there weren't any prizes than it wouldn't matter who won other than congratulating them and having fun.

[AlexDest]

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lol d7