Private Queue?

[HammyMcSquirrel]

The other day I noticed on the queue page at the bottom there was text that said something along the lines of, "+21 private submissions" but the text is no longer there.

I'm not sure why that text was removed but can someone confirm if a private queue of sorts exists? I was looking at the queue to make sure a file I wanted to step hasn't been accepted already but it's hard to confirm if some of the queue is private.

[Pizza69]

Re: Private Queue?

Some batches were private because they pertained to tournament stuff and presumably they wanted to keep some mystery surrounding what could actually be used, but it looks like no batches are currently private, so there shouldn't be anything in the private queue.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

Re: Private Queue?

Some batches were private because they pertained to tournament stuff and presumably they wanted to keep some mystery surrounding what could actually be used, but it looks like no batches are currently private, so there shouldn't be anything in the private queue.

Ah, okay. So they weren't technically "private" submissions. Just accepted submissions from the 13th official tournament batch that were set aside.

I don't exactly follow why they'd be initially hidden from the main queue when that information is visible here to begin with, but at least the information on accepted files is never truly hidden if that's the case. Thanks for the info!

[Psychotik]

Re: Private Queue?

That was from before the Private batch system was introduced. Simply didn't exist back then. Now chart notes will go directly in the batch, so only public notes will be visible.

[bmah]

Re: Private Queue?

That was from before the Private batch system was introduced. Simply didn't exist back then. Now chart notes will go directly in the batch, so only public notes will be visible.

He's not asking about where batch notes are posted or what specific aspects of the batch are revealed. He's wondering why some batches are privatized in the first place (where you cannot view any of the submitted songs whatsoever). This seems to be a new thing that was recently introduced and I honestly cannot recall much conversation around this.

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Private Queue?

He's not asking about where batch notes are posted or what specific aspects of the batch are revealed. He's wondering why some batches are privatized in the first place (where you cannot view any of the submitted songs whatsoever). This seems to be a new thing that was recently introduced and I honestly cannot recall much conversation around this.

I could always be corrected by Kayla when she comes over here, but I believe my understanding of this is correct.

With the introduction of all of these fantastic innovations in the batch submission system, there will no longer be a necessity to have all information contained within threads. To my knowledge, the system allows game management to see the contents of all submissions at any given point. However, the privatization of batches allows for users to see the status of only their files and nothing else. Additionally, I do believe judges are also able to have sets assigned to them within the system too, meaning they only can see what's assigned to them, and nothing beyond that (unless it's relegated to them for some reason). It's essentially an effective implementation of the least responsibility principle.

A likely situation: when the next Official Tournament batch opens, users will not be able to simply glean over the entirety of the submission list either in the batch submission area or (likely nonexistent at this point public threads) to predict where songs are, as ratings are compartmentalized within the batch tool.

It's no longer a batch submission tool at this point, it's an entire suite that is almost entirely self-sustaining, without the utilization of e-mails or the existing system of threads.

[Psychotik]

Re: Private Queue?

I don't exactly follow why they'd be initially hidden from the main queue when that information is visible here to begin with

I was mainly responding to this.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

Re: Private Queue?

However, the privatization of batches allows for users to see the status of only their files and nothing else.

A likely situation: when the next Official Tournament batch opens, users will not be able to simply glean over the entirety of the submission list either in the batch submission area or (likely nonexistent at this point public threads) to predict where songs are, as ratings are compartmentalized within the batch tool.

It sounds like we won't be able to tell if other files have been accepted or even submitted for some batches, such as an official tournament batch. To make sure I understand this, will the situation be...

A) The public won't know when a specific file is being released (such as the round/division number), but they will know the file has been accepted as a potential tournament file.

or

B) The public won't know when a specific file is being released and if it's even been submitted/accepted at all for the tournament.

If the situation is B, how would someone make sure a file they are stepping for a future batch hasn't been accepted already if it's hidden in a tournament batch? Would we just message a judge and simply ask?

[bmah]

Re: Private Queue?

A likely situation: when the next Official Tournament batch opens, users will not be able to simply glean over the entirety of the submission list either in the batch submission area or (likely nonexistent at this point public threads) to predict where songs are, as ratings are compartmentalized within the batch tool.

I suppose I underestimated just how many potential files there could be that would both fit the criteria of 1) having been known or well-known from SM/other 4k games and 2) that we have permission to use for FFR. I thought the ability to not see what was submitted would only be beneficial to these specific situations, which I think is fairly limited. To not be privy to see simply a list of an entire batch is just a big system shock to me; I wonder if it's really necessary save for the few files that everybody knows and keeps talking about. Besides those, no one should be able to know any file for a tournament because they're not supposed to be released to the public in the first place.

edit: I guess this ultimately won't change much of anything on the user's end. I just liked seeing what was submitted and privatizing the list feels a bit uptight.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Private Queue?

Okay so just going to note a few things here:

1. Yes, there's now a way to make batches private so we can have some element of surprise for certain events.
2. I honestly don't understand why this is being brought as an issue considering NO ONE knew what was being submitted to the emails until a list came out in a thread. So it's really no different.
3. We accept multiple files of the same song, so again really a non issue if you submit something that's already been submitted or accepted.
4. There wasn't even a queue list for anyone to see until I recently asked Velocity to add it, so I'm really not sure you point with "To not be privy to see simply a list of an entire batch is just a big system shock to me" bmah, unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying.


These changes are extremely exciting and will help us streamline things so much more than they ever have been. Calling it "uptight" is a bit unfair as we used to just privatize submissions all together surrounding the tournament and had internal batches so I mean, there's really no change in terms of that. You guys actually have WAY more info now than ever.

[bmah]

Re: Private Queue?

Well you did verify one thing and that is answering the question of to what extent batches are privatized (certain events, mainly OTs). I was more concerned that the scope of having batches privatized could be broader, but if this isn’t the case then it’s all good.

[HammyMcSquirrel]

Re: Private Queue?

2. I honestly don't understand why this is being brought as an issue considering NO ONE knew what was being submitted to the emails until a list came out in a thread. So it's really no different.

Please note, I've been inactive for a very long time. More-so when it comes to stepping files. The system was very different back then, and I happen to get back into this during a significant transition in the batch process.

At the time of the creation of this thread, there was no official explanation of this new batch system so I grasped what I could from stickies and the layout of the system itself. I approached this purely for the sake of making sense of it all and the steps I would have to take for information pertaining to my files and any potential overlap with a private queue.

With that said, it seemed like submitted files ultimately were present in one public location but that wasn't always the case, so I wanted to make sure I was on the same page.

3. We accept multiple files of the same song, so again really a non issue if you submit something that's already been submitted or accepted.

My concern would be more with having the information before I step the file. If I knew that the file would have to be a V2, I would have to approach it very differently but I'd most likely not bother with it to begin with in that instance. If it's simply asking a judge on a case-by-case basis, "Has this song been accepted?" Then I'm good with that. It'd save a lot of hassle for sure!

The system looks great! When I saw text about private files vanish suddenly without explanation, I simply had to ask about it because I honestly didn't know what was going on. Thank you for the response.

[XelNya]

Re: Private Queue?

These changes are extremely exciting and will help us streamline things so much more than they ever have been. Calling it "uptight" is a bit unfair as we used to just privatize submissions all together surrounding the tournament and had internal batches so I mean, there's really no change in terms of that. You guys actually have WAY more info now than ever.

You had this issue because there wasn't an announcement about it, and it happened to be found before there was a clarification. It looks shady af to some people.

We've talked about it before, but I personally absolutely loathe this way of doing things.

And it is uptight, it's a fair critique.

Also us having more info than ever isn't "exciting" it's "how it should be."

[psychoangel691]

Re: Private Queue?

You had this issue because there wasn't an announcement about it, and it happened to be found before there was a clarification. It looks shady af to some people.

We've talked about it before, but I personally absolutely loathe this way of doing things.

And it is uptight, it's a fair critique.

Also us having more info than ever isn't "exciting" it's "how it should be."

Can I ask you a genuine question? Why are you still here if you hate everything about it? Honestly, you never have anything positive to say at all.
No it's not a fair critique, how are we supposed to have anon stepcons if I can't anonymize the submissions? What's the point in having a new file OT if everyone just knows what's going to be in it? I honestly can't believe this is even an argument, I was so excited for all of these and it's effectively been killed by one thread.
I didn't say having more info is exciting, I said the changes were because it's a massive help. I said it before though and I'll say it again, if you can do such a better job at everything than do it, you rejected being on judgement staff after I offered the position to you, so as far as I'm concerned you really have no room to be this negative when you don't even want to be part of aiding things on FFR.

[psychoangel691]

Re: Private Queue?

Please note, I've been inactive for a very long time. More-so when it comes to stepping files. The system was very different back then, and I happen to get back into this during a significant transition in the batch process.

At the time of the creation of this thread, there was no official explanation of this new batch system so I grasped what I could from stickies and the layout of the system itself. I approached this purely for the sake of making sense of it all and the steps I would have to take for information pertaining to my files and any potential overlap with a private queue.

With that said, it seemed like submitted files ultimately were present in one public location but that wasn't always the case, so I wanted to make sure I was on the same page.

My concern would be more with having the information before I step the file. If I knew that the file would have to be a V2, I would have to approach it very differently but I'd most likely not bother with it to begin with in that instance. If it's simply asking a judge on a case-by-case basis, "Has this song been accepted?" Then I'm good with that. It'd save a lot of hassle for sure!

The system looks great! When I saw text about private files vanish suddenly without explanation, I simply had to ask about it because I honestly didn't know what was going on. Thank you for the response.

Apologies, some of it was more directed towards bmah who has been around and active through all of this. Things just got finished up and I hadn't had a chance to make a full announcement yet on anything, but it still kind of stands that even if you look at batches there still could be someone stepping what you're stepping and beat you to getting it in the system. Just the nature of the game, but if you look we have instances of the same song now like Celestial Horizon which are basically same difficulty but both very good charts so one is labeled [another]. Things have changed a lot.