Regular Batch May/June 2020

**gold stinger** · 06-27-2020, 07:36 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Submitted Re:THE MEDLEY OF KIRBY SSDX to this batch, but no idea if it was received correctly.

Website says it was uploaded, but craps itself attempting to process it.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/.../batch/?id=693

**gold stinger** · 06-27-2020, 08:47 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

nvm. Got it successfully uploaded to batch after 5 attempts of the parser timing out.

**klimtkiller** · 06-27-2020, 09:34 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by gold stinger

Submitted Re:THE MEDLEY OF KIRBY SSDX to this batch, but no idea if it was received correctly.

Website says it was uploaded, but craps itself attempting to process it.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/.../batch/?id=693

i'm not playing that

**choof** · 06-27-2020, 12:02 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by gold stinger

Submitted Re:THE MEDLEY OF KIRBY SSDX to this batch, but no idea if it was received correctly.

Website says it was uploaded, but craps itself attempting to process it.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/.../batch/?id=693

s2g this better be good

**qrrbrbirbel** · 06-27-2020, 06:12 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

i am playing this on 0.1x rate one day

**FlynnMac** · 06-27-2020, 07:18 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by gold stinger

Submitted Re:THE MEDLEY OF KIRBY SSDX to this batch, but no idea if it was received correctly.

Website says it was uploaded, but craps itself attempting to process it.

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/.../batch/?id=693

I would be so down to play this if it makes it in the game

**mi40** · 10-9-2020, 06:42 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

since i'm obviously never getting a response from tc_halogen since he's a very busy person and probably doesn't check back on individual submissions i thought i'd post a legitimate question here

scores are scores and feedback is feedback,
but how am i supposed to understand where 4 points were docked off with a review as short as this? i get that the song is short but i look at some of the other reviews and it makes me feel like the file was never playtested or the reviewer didn't bother to write down any notes asides from "structure"

maybe a few examples of what they consider "good structure" would've helped because i'm sitting here scratching my head. is there a set "structure" files should be following? was my song choice wrong? did the file feel bad to hit? this review is nowhere near satisfactory for me and it's hard for me to improve the file without a clear sense of direction. can another judge review this file properly? i don't even care if it gets a lower score or whatever, just some more specific feedback would be appreciated, thanks.

ex) review for bridge (6/10)

review for another song (7/10) with lots of good details & specific feedback on multiple aspects of the song

**psychoangel691** · 10-10-2020, 08:49 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by mi40

since i'm obviously never getting a response from tc_halogen since he's a very busy person and probably doesn't check back on individual submissions i thought i'd post a legitimate question here

scores are scores and feedback is feedback,
but how am i supposed to understand where 4 points were docked off with a review as short as this? i get that the song is short but i look at some of the other reviews and it makes me feel like the file was never playtested or the reviewer didn't bother to write down any notes asides from "structure"

maybe a few examples of what they consider "good structure" would've helped because i'm sitting here scratching my head. is there a set "structure" files should be following? was my song choice wrong? did the file feel bad to hit? this review is nowhere near satisfactory for me and it's hard for me to improve the file without a clear sense of direction. can another judge review this file properly? i don't even care if it gets a lower score or whatever, just some more specific feedback would be appreciated, thanks.

For the record, judges are in no way required to give you specific notes at all. Go look at some really old reviews, people would reject and give a one liner. Their job is to decide whether or not the content is acceptable to put in to FFR, we've tried to improve and offer more feedback now a days than in the old times but nobody has to give you any specifics.
Also, I just looked at the review and it looks to me that some examples were in fact given brief or not it's not like you were just given nope/10 with no context at all.

Now on to the appeal process, you should have reached out to me if you had an issue and I would have assigned another judge to take a look at it. Trying to be passive aggressive in the comments in there and here is not the way to go about it and will never help the situation.

Originally posted by DossarLX ODI

RATING APPEAL
Ratings that are 6 or above are eligible for a rating appeal if and only if they aren’t Accepted files. In the event that a stepartist feels a review for a file is unfair, a civil response to the judge can be provided with the concerns through either a PM or discord. A file’s rating can only stay the same or be improved through this process.
• If there is disrespectful behavior from the stepartist then the Judge has the right to reject the file.
• If there is disrespectful behavior from the Judge, the stepartist has the right to request a different Judge.
• If after discussing with the Judge the stepartist still feels a concern, the stepartist can bring the review to a game manager to be reviewed by another judge. Details from the review in question must be provided with adequate explanations. No more than two Judges can be involved with a rating appeal.

**mi40** · 10-10-2020, 10:55 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by psychoangel691

For the record, judges are in no way required to give you specific notes at all. Go look at some really old reviews, people would reject and give a one liner. Their job is to decide whether or not the content is acceptable to put in to FFR, we've tried to improve and offer more feedback now a days than in the old times but nobody has to give you any specifics.
Also, I just looked at the review and it looks to me that some examples were in fact given brief or not it's not like you were just given nope/10 with no context at all.

Now on to the appeal process, you should have reached out to me if you had an issue and I would have assigned another judge to take a look at it. Trying to be passive aggressive in the comments in there and here is not the way to go about it and will never help the situation.

first off, i didn't mean to come off as passive aggressive, i'm legitimately looking for additional feedback since there's not much for me to go off of on the review that halogen gave me and a 6/10 means there's some stuff fundamentally wrong with the file in a lot of areas. trust me, i used to be a lot worse when it comes to reacting to criticism, lol

as for the appeals process i didn't realize there was one, so if halogen doesn't have any additional comments about the file for me saved somewhere, since it's such a short file, i wouldn't mind some additional feedback from another judge. like i'm honestly not looking for a re-scoring or anything, just some additional feedback is fine by me, lol. because in my eyes 6/10 signals at least 3-4 separate points of improvement, you know? but idk maybe thats just me

again, "since i'm obviously never getting a response from tc_halogen since he's a very busy person and probably doesn't check back on individual submissions" wasn't meant to be passive aggressive, im pretty sure i remember him saying somewhere that he's been doing like 70 hour workweeks. so yeah

**TC_Halogen** · 10-10-2020, 11:50 AM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

The 70 hour workweek comment was when I was doing OT stuff and said that I was treating it much like a part-time job on top of my 40 hour week job. I don't have overbearing workweeks normally, but that's beside the point.

You have a 45 second song.

17 seconds of it are contained with pitch relevance that is noticeably improvable; that's nearly half of the file and I'm not entirely sure what I can say beyond that.

The other 28 seconds of the file are contained with a structure that I occasionally found fundamentally incorrect as a result of your structural inconsistencies in representation; that's why I made the notes that I did and denoted them with an "etc." after it. It's not my job to sniff out literally every error and tell you how to fix them (contrary to my Bloodhound avatar and all).

Something that you said struck me as important to respond to:

anyways, seeing this short of a review (even for a short song) and a 6/10 score with no room for submitting what little changes there could be made based on the comments is just straight up discouraging and would probably put me off if it was my first time submitting a file. it's not like i was told to choose a different song or tone down the difficulty or that i misplaced arrows. didn't even say if the file was fun or not. i thought the whole point of a game was to enjoy it. don't turn ffr into a school with a curriculum, it's a game.

I'm going to reiterate: this is a 45 second song with very literally two musical structures. There's not going to be a lot for me to comment on. But yes, if you do not like my judgment -- you are free to utilize an appeal because you got a 6/10.

**psychoangel691** · 10-10-2020, 12:23 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by mi40

as for the appeals process i didn't realize there was one

I'm only going to take this point right here, you have to check off that you've read the submission rules prior to submitting. If you didn't know there was one that means you didn't bother to read these. We're constantly running into issues because people aren't taking the time to do so, and while I try to be as accommodating as possible, it's getting impossible to keep up with everyone's stuff this way.

The judges are extremely backlogged right now with files still waiting a first pass. So if you want an additional judgement it's going to take a bit. I suggest it's better the two of you work out whatever needed with this via discord.

**mi40** · 10-10-2020, 12:29 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by psychoangel691

I'm only going to take this point right here, you have to check off that you've read the submission rules prior to submitting. If you didn't know there was one that means you didn't bother to read these. We're constantly running into issues because people aren't taking the time to do so, and while I try to be as accommodating as possible, it's getting impossible to keep up with everyone's stuff this way.

The judges are extremely backlogged right now with files still waiting a first pass. So if you want an additional judgement it's going to take a bit. I suggest it's better the two of you work out whatever needed with this via discord.

okay no problem, my bad for not reading through the rules thoroughly enough. i wasn't really asking for an appeal, was more along the lines of wanting better feedback, i'll leave this to the side until there's not a huge backlog

**mi40** · 10-10-2020, 12:42 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by TC_Halogen

The 70 hour workweek comment was when I was doing OT stuff and said that I was treating it much like a part-time job on top of my 40 hour week job. I don't have overbearing workweeks normally, but that's beside the point.

You have a 45 second song.

17 seconds of it are contained with pitch relevance that is noticeably improvable; that's nearly half of the file and I'm not entirely sure what I can say beyond that.

The other 28 seconds of the file are contained with a structure that I occasionally found fundamentally incorrect as a result of your structural inconsistencies in representation; that's why I made the notes that I did and denoted them with an "etc." after it. It's not my job to sniff out literally every error and tell you how to fix them (contrary to my Bloodhound avatar and all).

Something that you said struck me as important to respond to:

I'm going to reiterate: this is a 45 second song with very literally two musical structures. There's not going to be a lot for me to comment on. But yes, if you do not like my judgment -- you are free to utilize an appeal because you got a 6/10.

i won't be appealing it and i kinda get where you're coming from because my train of thought is that if a song is so short i'd rather not be hitting the same patterns for 45 seconds straight :l

and frankly i would've rather been happier with a comment like "song was short and boring because of these fundamental flaws" because then i'd be like okay well, people think the song is boring so things obviously need to be changed or i need to get a different song altogether

BUT if we're going off just those two points of structure and PR then i understand your 6/10 rating and i won't be appealing it. just wish the judging process put more emphasis on the fun factor (cause idk the file felt pretty neat to hit to me) instead of being rigid sometimes because i'm of the opinion that files that follow the same strict structures or guidelines tend to get lost forever in the sea of 3000 files that ffr already has.

ANYWAYS sorry for bothering you guys i just wanted to get some stuff off my chest, have a nice day

**psychoangel691** · 10-10-2020, 12:55 PM

Re: Regular Batch May/June 2020

Originally posted by mi40

BUT if we're going off just those two points of structure and PR then i understand your 6/10 rating and i won't be appealing it. just wish the judging process put more emphasis on the fun factor (cause idk the file felt pretty neat to hit to me) instead of being rigid sometimes because i'm of the opinion that files that follow the same strict structures or guidelines tend to get lost forever in the sea of 3000 files that ffr already has.

ANYWAYS sorry for bothering you guys i just wanted to get some stuff off my chest, have a nice day

You sound like 2010 me haha. I had HUGE arguments with judges and the team about how we should be focusing more on fun factor. We have changed a lot in terms of what gets passed into FFR now a days compared to then, like you mentioned there's a huge sea of files in FFR already and we have to have some sort of line drawn in terms of technical accuracy so we're not just throwing everything in. But as I'd mentioned already, this is where alt engines come in to play. I know it doesn't get ranked on FFR but still gives an avenue for your fun files to be played that may not meet the reqs here on FFR. Kinda like how OSU! has ranked and unranked maps, beatsaber is the same way.

I have two alternate engines I'd be more than happy to host content on for people, and Max has FFRmania up of course as well.

Per the end, not bothering us I just have to follow our guidelines on certain things to keep things running as smoothly as possible. There's still kinks and we still really need more hands on deck but it's been hard to get anyone in that stays consistent. Right now the only consistent judges are visD, goldstinger, gradiant and then AJ comes in and out as he's able. We have over 100 files still needing judgements and that's not counting the recent open batch.

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