If Bush can't take care of his own country, why Iraq?

[GuidoHunter]

Why do you think the economy's bad? Most of the pertinent numbers, including unemployment, have only been rising the past few months (so I heard from some head economist guy at the Fed on the radio). Sure, the economy was in a downturn, but that's only natural for it to do. Bush actually pulled us out of our recession very quickly relative to other expansions; he's done really well with the economy since he's been president.

Bush was quite justified in entering Iraq for the reasons he gave. However, if he wanted to make use of the oil there, more power to him, as that's better than tapping into our reserves. Only thing is, the money gained from the oil there goes to rebuilding Iraq, and we need it to have a stable government for effective trade. Oh, and Iraq has the largest supply of [some fuel which I can't exactly remember that is the main component of propulsion for alternative-fuel cars] in the world. The situation in Iraq is only getting better.

As for the soldiers getting killed, we're in a WAR! A handful a day is actually pretty good for wars. The only better one was Desert Storm, in which our only casualty was accidentally self-inflicted (I believe).

Those of you who don't want Bush re-elected, all I have to say is that we'll turn to shit if Kerry gets elected. ::shudders::

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[DracIV]

Anti has said a few things that are in every argument I hear against Bush, but the fact is they are not true.

A. Iraq is still recovering. They are still working on modernizing the entire system for oil in Iraq, and OPEC controls gas prices anyway, not Iraq. The oil benefit would be the fact that now we have an alternative and we can tell OPEC to screw off if they try to charge us too much.

B. He DIDN'T act spur of the moment. Saddam has been a pain in the ass about the WMDs for 10 YEARS. The UN wouldn't do anything even when he purposefully refused to obey their demands, and so finally the US declared. "Saddam, we give you 3 days to comply or we will use military force." He didn't comply, and so we followed through with our promise.

C. There was never a direct connection between Saddam and Osama. Saddam was a known terrorist nexus, giving money and supplies to dozens of terrorist organizations. He ruled with an iron fist using an army of thugs who terrorized the people (terrorist) and made things a living hell for many. I think Jamie phrased the choice best. WMD weren't even the main reason for attacking, they are just the one incorrect thing in a list of 20+ that the enemies of Bush latched onto as their main argument.

D. The war DID turn out to our advantage. It turns out that during the entire Clinton administration the economy had been declining, but Clinton covered up the signs. Bush managed to stabilize the country, and a war always helps a bit (side-effect), but recently the entire world has had a downturn. Globally the market fell by 5% in the past 8 or 10 months, with some major markets falling 10-15%. The US got away with only a 3% drop. I consider that a success becuase it is. The government can only do so much though, because the economy is OUR JOB. Bush has used every market improvement tactic availible to the government, and you would be insane to call that "twiddling your thumbs."

E. IQ doesn't matter. Just as long as your IQ is about 70, with the right skills your are perfectly fit to run the country, much better than most even.

[xObserveRx]

Omg, there's no winning with you people, you ARE Americans. You obviously believe everything your media tells you, stupid, stupid people. *sigh*

[Specforces]

Jam, you are officially cool.

Go Republicans!

Specforces

[GuidoHunter]

Jam, you are officially cool.

Heh, her post definitely impressed me, too.

Go Republicans!

Do I hear our resident California liberal Jewpin coming?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[xObserveRx]

Pfft, her post was typical.

[DracIV]

Observer, I'm Canadian. Get it right, jerk. Oh yeah, and I did research and got the real information, did you?

[fusi0n]

Omg, there's no winning with you people, you ARE Americans. You obviously believe everything your media tells you, stupid, stupid people. *sigh*

And I'm sure your resources are 110% credible.

Pfft, her post was typical.

She gave a far better arguement than you did.

[xObserveRx]

the fact remains that there ARE no reasonable resources, unless you work for the government, and even then, you prolly don't get the whole story.

[fusi0n]

omg, you people are SO american. Here's the situation in a nutshell:

Bush Sr. goes to iraq, to snag their oil, cuz America needs it.

Operation Desert Storm turns out to $*%# all kinds of (#$% up.

Bush Sr. Is out of office, America has enough oil again.

Clinton doesn't give two flying f*#$# about the middle east (#$%, and humps Ms. Lewinski.

Bush Jr. gets elected.

Bush Jr. Uses 9/11 as an excuse to do w/e the $*%# he wants in the middle east, stirring all kinds of (#$% up.

Bush Jr. is told America needs oil again.

Bush Jr. Apparently gives up on finding Bin Laden, and decides to go get some oil from iraq.

Bush Jr. Makes up some BS about Saddam, so he can get some oil.

U.S tries to get the other UN countries to buy into his BS, it doesn't work.

America Invades Iraq.

(#$% is talked about, while the real oil snagging is going down.


there you have it people. In summary, AMERICA IS IN IRAQ FOR THE GOD DAMNED OIL, BOTTOM LINE.

the fact remains that there ARE no reasonable resiources, unless you work for the government, and even then, you prolly don't get the whole story.

Making your entire summary false.

[aleco]

Omg, there's no winning with you people, you ARE Americans. You obviously believe everything your media tells you, stupid, stupid people. *sigh*

Media is Democratic?

[DracIV]

Yes, the media is democratic. Journalists almost naturally favor liberalism because it is part of their profession.

(oh yeah, and I meant an IQ above 70 in my post, not about 70)

[GuidoHunter]

Omg, there's no winning with you people, you ARE Americans. You obviously believe everything your media tells you, stupid, stupid people. *sigh*

Media is Democratic?

Do you mean to say the media is liberal?
If so, distinctions need to be made. Print media is usually liberal, TV is by the large liberal (save for Fox News), and radio is mostly conservative (save for NPR). While the way programs present news and the way they selectively report are usually biased, the content is quite certainly factual. Doing otherwise would spell ruin for a network.

Regardless of whether or not that's what aleco meant, I like to use the terms "Conservative" and "Liberal" rather than Republican and Democrat, because the former represent general ideologies, and while the latter usually abide by their respective partisanship, they can cross over and not be completely representative of the original intent of their meaning.

Wow, that was a complex sentence...

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Jam930]

Jam, you are officially cool.

thankyou!

[Anonymous]

DracIV ur a flipping moron dude! I'm sorry take your head out ur ass turn of fox news and pay attention bush F#@#ed the enconomy like me and prom dates