The Greatest Night in the History of Our Sport. Testing AvMiss Fix

Posted in FFR News, Flash Flash Revolution, Game Announcements on January 27th, 2008

The title is correct. We having a working solution for a feature (fix) that users have been asking about for approximately 5 years. Omg 5 years… Xelius has been hard at work squashing the AvMiss bug and he looks to be successful. Yes, he has been sifting through unimaginable amounts of tangled and twisted FFR code (I feel bad for the guy). His efforts are nothing short of miraculous and his results are fantastic.

We had a preview tonight but starting tomorrow morning we will be inviting all beta tester (aka subscribers) to come in and experience this new version and note down any bugs you may find. I suspect the results will change FFR scores dramatically. We still have not decide what steps to take in how to handle scores but we will be organizing and sifting through all the subscriber suggestions in order to come up with a solution quickly.

I ask that if you want to help Xelius eat and pay his rent (and help us with our costs) that you subscribe. He has been working insane hours on FFR lately and even more improvements are on their way. As always, we can use as many extra beta testers as possible. For those of you who are already a subscriber, thank you. You all make a huge difference in what we are capable of.

Cheers,

Synthlight + Thanks to Xelius

201 Responses to “The Greatest Night in the History of Our Sport. Testing AvMiss Fix”

  1. epic

  2. Thank you so much!

  3. oulala!!

  4. Omg,I am so grateful for this. I can finally have no fear of avmisses soon. =D

  5. OMFG! Xelius, I send my regards.

  6. Xelius is king, I knew it before, now others will come to understand.

  7. Wait…is it fixed for the second time now?

  8. OMFG EPIC

  9. 9th

  10. Wow. Hell of a fix. Well done.

  11. Hmm, 5 years. So much I missed out on.
    Fix this and I will play ^_^

  12. Makes the awesome scores people got before avemisses useless now.

  13. Dark, maybe not.. It depends on how we handle this update.

    Cheers,

    Synthlight

  14. Xelius, if i had a huge cake, id give it to you.

  15. So, there’s a possibility that only new songs will have the AvMiss fix. Or at least something along those lines.

  16. yo…whats an Avmiss?

  17. Did this fix the possibility of everyone FCing every Guru song in a short amount of time, which happened tonight when it first came out

  18. hey does anyone know what an AvMiss is?

  19. Awesome, but my rank 2 Demon Fire will be crushed =[

  20. “Ah, the infamous jack glitch. Basically, in order to properly hit a jack, you have to hit the first arrow early enough so that it isn’t anywhere near the second one, or the game will think you’re hitting the second one (and you’ll therefore miss the first one). This isn’t all that easy to do, making jacks easily the hardest pattern in the game.” ~Shash. Always pwning noobs. lol

  21. i love you ffr

  22. Hay, what is an AvMiss?

  23. OMFG! I love you FFR, you actually listen to your players unlike nearly every other game site out there. Way to go! I want consolation, though, for AAAing Crystalis with avmisses being applied. :D

  24. As some say…Epic..

  25. Awesome. Thanks Xelius. I’m not a subscriber, but, I have a suggestion. Perhaps there could be an option to turn avmiss on/off? Also, perhaps there could be two sets of high scores? That way, people could still be proud of their old scores, or even try to beat them. Plus it would add variety to the game.

  26. Insane…..

  27. wee molto rank 5

  28. omg i can wait till tomorrow :)

  29. YaY, im becoming a subscriber next week, cant wait!!!

  30. All I see in this post is “Please subscribe ;D”

  31. Great updates to the site, Xelius is a wonderful programmer, keep up the good work. the site keeps getting better guys.

  32. Basically, the subscribers are going to get insane scores lol.

    Still, this is an insane change for FFR if it works out.

  33. This is going to be awesome xD

  34. What about the skill tokens that require the Avrage misses? Will you be redoing the requirements?

  35. Lol good thinking Midnight. (I however randomly got that token without actually avg missing. Coincidentally got 2 avgs, misses and boos)

  36. Very good update, look forward to it.

  37. Dear Lord, possible increase in Runny/Crowdpleaser/Molto/OMW/GGC/Whatever other Jacky songs FCs now?

  38. this just ruined my day =/

  39. make this r3, keep r1 the same D:

  40. Why would you want to have to fight a glitch? O_o Seems odd you would want to play a glitched game, but I see where you would want to scoring to remain the same, because you earned those scores, but I have scores I have had to avoid avmissing in as well and I would be happy to see them beaten. :]

  41. And there goes my rank 37 on Molto…

    Pfft. It’s 60 now :(

  42. i like framers, for the fact my scores that are high ranked, are all the harder songs, because im used to playing early all the time, something such as colt.45′s aaa on nova, which she whored the song FOREVER, will be meaningless now.

  43. Okay, here’s the thing, I’ve told this to Sprite because he totally hates the idea of an avmiss fix… I’m all for it though. Having the avmiss fix implemented means a few things. 1. It does in fact allow for easier FC on insane songs like OMW, CP, GGC, Molto and the others we all know. BUT, here’s the catch. Having this ability to FC means nothing. It’s going to be HARD AS HELL for everyone to FC and STILL maintain a good PA rate. Only the top players of FFR will be able to do that and everyone else will have their scores represented in proportion to the skilled scores of the masters. If you think about it, having avmiss gone, ALL the old scores on the avmiss hell songs will be totally pulverized. BUT the scores will once again balance out as everyone places scores in the song. It’s still the same concept. Think of it as everyone gaining a skill jump at the same rate of 5 fold. Now another thing, having avmisses gone means that we will need crazy harder songs for those that toast the already hard ass songs. We’ll need songs like St. Scarhand for example. I’m all for it having far harder songs. This does represent a problem of totally re-evaluating each songs difficulty to balance out for these new, insane songs. Also, we will start to want songs with hands in them. Just to add to the difficulty factor. Having songs of this difficulty will help better represent the top players of FFR and as well, keep peoples skills proportionate to others. I see 0 problems with the avmiss fix after it is implemented. I say, let them implement it, let the old scores be crushed, in the end, everything will once again balance out.

  44. I’m still pondering the fact that my rank on Forsaken Neon has not dropped AT ALL, but basically everything harder than that is dropping…

    Very quickly.

  45. Oh hey, I just realized that now I’ll be able to cleanly SDG Vertex BETA, Monstrous Turtles, and Lawn Wake IV fairly easily.

    But now my scores before the fix mean nothing :(

  46. I agree 200% with Phynx, I’m all for it, and I believe the scores will even themselves out. It’s not like it’s making the masters worse or the beginners better, it’s just a slight change in the way the game works. Plus now it will be about hitting the arrows perfectly, instead of hitting the first arrow early, and the second one late – which is a totally different skill.

  47. not true, the fmo’s right now, are mainly fmo’s due to framers. otaku oni’s will be easy as hell to get off some of the songs. fotbb will be easy as hell for indexers to aaa now.

  48. Hence the proportion to ability factor. Everyone will be represented in terms of their style by the high scores they get.

  49. then ill be god, i plan index and spread.

  50. play*

  51. For one thing, even if they fix avg misses, its not gonna fix the fact that you miss a note on the 4th framer. The bug in it today wasy if you hit it late, you hit both notes instead of getting a miss on the 2nd or 1st notes. In essence, if its fixed right Crowdpleaser is still impossible to FC. No doubt some songs will be easier to fc, but not in anyway wayy to easy for anyone to fc, only ppl such as DarkShark, i love you, Sprite- etc etc will be able to fc these

  52. Right, that’s why Xelius withdrew the test version and is working that out. Hopefully tomorrow there won’t be a combination of the 4th framer. Don’t worry, it’ll be fixed.

  53. As for you Stephen, yes, index AND spread is a deadly combo, you truly will shoot sky high with your skill. As you should be anyway. Doing away with avmisses brings everyone to their full potentials.

  54. ^ I hope you define “full potential” in terms of FFR. Skill-wise, there’s no way you can get a lot better if one doesn’t play SM. A 30 fps web-based flash game has it’s limits, you know.

  55. O_O No more average miss? I can finally AAA the short version of Crystalis!!!!

  56. How about an increase in frame rate for r3? :P

  57. Exactly what I meant. Now, once 3rd style comes out with 60FPS like SM, then we’ll be able to have almost infinite possibilities for sims and the absolute potential of FFR’s players.

  58. Uhh, last time I checked, my old scores don’t mean nothing, a “blackflag” on HELLBEAT is pretty good. And I whored for it. And I’m willing to g back and improve the blackflag if need be. The consistent and dedicated players will too :]

  59. Wow!

    There should be some kind of recognition for those who’ve gotten AAA’s on songs with avmisses though. Those songs are pretty tough to PA and to just make whatever amount of time they spent on those songs useless really isn’t fair.

  60. o forgot to post earlier.
    SWEEEEEEEET

  61. Barista, as I’ve said before, all that time spent gaining those scores on avmiss songs will have to be let go mentally. People will just have to live with letting that wasted time go. It’s part of progression. But think about this, now that the avmiss problem is fixed, we all can start getting scores that are in stance with our skill.

  62. 60 FPS? Last time I checked, SM ran at about ~250 FPS.

  63. Fantastic news, best thing for FFR since I joined.

  64. Am I the only one that thinks my time in placing high while the glitch was around won’t be wasted no matter what comes along? =/

  65. Nah, it’s standard FPS is 60. But for some reason, computers like mine that are decked out run at around 200+ depending on how many other programs are running. 60FPS is the standard rate for any and all games. Be it a computer based or console based game.

  66. I guess it makes sense then. I ran fraps and it came with 200~300 FPS on SM, but I never really found it that reliable anyways.

  67. you have to turn vsync off for sm to run above 60 fps, mine runs around 760 fps.

  68. err 560

  69. swoot… two straight days of awesome news… again make it publix now!!one!1!!!1

  70. No, become a subscriber… then bask in FFR’s glory :P

  71. I just realized… 60 FPS on SM would make it a lot easier to hit a marv on J7 than it should be. Or impossible depending on how it rounded the time?

  72. FFR isn’t a sport :)

  73. XD. Much Appreciated.
    I am a subscriber, and You’re welcome.

  74. This truly is the greatest night in the history of our sport.

  75. D; ohh my.

  76. you’re welcome. (via payment). :P

  77. FFR = sport. i’m not even kidding lol. i mean.. you can even develop injuries, right? They should rename carpal tunnel “FFR wrist.”

  78. av miss fix is confusing others to believe scores will be crushed… no it is not even close to that thoery… if av misses are fixed your pa doesnt change. it means you can pa without the av miss occuring it is as if your getting an average with no boo or miss attached. an average miss on a song such as vertex beta simply means you were the perfect timing window. if one can always hit the perfect timing window no average miss occurs. that explains how a song can be AAA’d

  79. On a song like Vertex BETA, you can average-miss while still hitting the perfect window. Those framers cover the late “perfect” frame of the first note.

    The Average comes from you hitting the “average” frame on the LATER arrow instead of the “perfect” frame on the EARLIER arrow.

    The Miss comes from the first arrow slipping by after you’ve hit the second one.

    And the Boo comes from you attempting to hit the second arrow even though you already did; your reflexes just don’t strike until you see the “miss” and found out that it was an avmiss.

    Always hitting the “perfect” frame doesn’t necessarily mean getting a AAA. At least, it doesn’t until this is fully fixed.

  80. I subscribed to what I do most, a place that describes anime (ANN A.k.A. animenewsnetwork). I’ll subscribe here if ever I still feel like playing after getting a rank of below 1000 or so ;)

    +Soldat+

    P.S.: I never got to sport most of the hard tunes as I wasn’t exactly the lv to PA much so far. Though I do think of TGWP as tunes I could try to FC now :P

  81. Thank you Silvercomet for explaining what an Avmiss was. I’ve been trying to figure it out.

    I wish I was a subscriber. But I don’t have the money. I only get money on my Birthday and Christmas. Maybe when my dad lets me get a job. Lol.

  82. I love you

  83. damn…i still think it needs a little work. my first run on Be Princess using ffr the beta got me an av miss.

  84. *is dumb* lol double post, didnt notice they didnt release yet

  85. oh my god

    xelius is my hero
    i love you

  86. WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

    *heart attack*
    WTF impossible O_O brb FC’ing K8107 :O

  87. AvMiss bug, offsync songs, and the fact that finding any particular song is a MESS, are my three most hated things in FFR, and reasons why I prefer SM.

    You’re squashing the first one.
    The second… eh…
    The third, you didn’t fix, but you sure did a nice improvement with the page number thing.

    Gotta say, you’re quickly turning this game into something comparable to SM…

    Just keep up this pace if you want to surpass it :P

  88. haha i dont want to sound like a noob, well by the looks of things that will be impossible, Whats an average miss? o.O lol

  89. fkin epic.
    i love you with all my heart.

  90. So wait what like people can FP 100 BB now???

  91. Question is when will this be released to the public?

  92. Xelius is really pro he really takes care of our game brought so many super stuff

    so is the av fix version on now? going to play and find out

  93. Thanks Xelius!

  94. epic epic epic. xelius is epic.

  95. SHOOP DA WHOOP!
    I’M A CHAHHHHGIN MAH LAZAHZ!

  96. umm avmisses never really got me all that much but when they did i flipped a sh*t thanks alot xelius

  97. Holy fucking shit. That means that i’ll be even better than before, and i’ll finally FC Epidermis without AVmissing. whoo!

  98. fgawuyofgy8owgfwy8og!!! I really wanna be a subscriber!!! But I have no money… How long until this will be public?

  99. Thank you so much Xelius <3 Have my babies pl0x.
    I was going to subscribe last weekend but now I have a Nintendo 64 to pay for (wtf?).

  100. 3 things

    1. Massive step and difficulty rating overhaul, as well as anything else that has to do with difficulty (such as tier points)

    2. FMO FC’s here I come

    3. Crowdpleaser. That is all

  101. Xelius is the greatest admin ever. Next to kwik of course ;)

  102. FGO FC’s here I come! Please don’t change the difficulties! lol

  103. even though im not a subscriber, but If I may make a suggestion for steps to fixing the ffr scores. Maybe add a larger winger on the average rating that way if you hit a note early your still liable to hit an average. I wouldnt change the judging on this game ever just because avg misses got fixed, I would just make good and average windows larger, and leave the judgement on perfects the same

  104. Going from one of Phynxs post, this gave me the idea, If things pan out, we should be able to have Party 4 U version 1 back into the game

  105. Damn! I want to be a subscriber so bad right now! You guys are sssooo lucky! When I was a sub I got the 70 songs in one week though…

  106. K uhm, I’ve been up for 2 hours, still no update. What happend to “morning” :(

  107. I love you even more now.

  108. wtf, now i have to subsribe. i hate you.

  109. its 1:42 whats the hold up.

  110. EnR, anxious?

  111. YES ROFL.

  112. I’m somewhat glad it’s been delayed a bit.

    I NEED to get Oni before the difficulty bump.

  113. Wow. Notice how Darkshark and Rubixs’ scores on RunnyMorning have been obliterated.

  114. Lol, if this happens, then Illl be able to easily SDG or maybe even AAA Vertex BETA and Sympathizer.

  115. I love you Xelius.

  116. OMFG
    I may FINALLY start playing FFR again. Yessss!!!!

    The ONLY thing left to do is give FFR a higher FPS rate.. life will be complete..

    <3Xelius

  117. THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!

  118. Holy crap I thought this would never happen. Now I’ll actually be able to FC more FGO’s (and Crystalis V1 rofl). Too bad I’m not a subscriber. :(

  119. Xelius is going to be very popular.

  120. im subscribing today

  121. You also have to think for FFR. Synth’s main objective(or one of his main objectives) has always been to attract as many people as possible to FFR. By getting rid of avmisses, just think about how many more people will play FFR and how much players who have given up on FFR simply because of this bug will come back and play.

  122. yay after a year i MAY be able to play again!!!!! woot i love you guys ;D

  123. OMG YES!!
    waiting forever for this!
    *gives Xelius big hug*

  124. IWUVYOUIWUVYOUIWUVYOUALLSOOOOOMUCH!!YAY

    Practice Makes Perfects!

  125. i’m a paid sub, my biggest pet peeve is after your done with one song lets say im in the rock section, i would like to stay on the rock section when i click on try another song, instead of cycling through the menu again. Any way to get that fixed?

  126. any word on if it is working cause i seem to still get avmisses?

  127. oddly enough it seems to have almost done the opposite is this happening to anyone else?

  128. ogmsband, they said later tonight , officially tomorrow morning, did you read the whole post?

  129. ohmygod…

  130. i dont care about avmisses i think theerreeeee Great! XD

  131. omg

  132. exciting

  133. wow im not a subscriber today. i feel so unimportant. dont get my paycheck til thursday either.

  134. oh my I might just have to start playing again.

  135. i still have no idea wtf an avg miss is ._.

  136. Stop asking what avmisses are and do some damn searching :/. Really…it’s not hard.

    tl;dr of main headline: OTAKU ONI AND THE FIVE MADE EASIER!

    I support this avmiss though thank god I might be able to do better on some of the easier offbeat stuff and harder FGO/FMO stuff :D .

  137. How do you tell if you got an Avmiss or that you simply just screwed up?

  138. You get an average and a miss on a jack.

    Think.

  139. Holy ass ****ing moses, I might just come back to FFR if this happens for real.

  140. Ah! I see how you can spot an AVmiss.

    I had a 30 combo in “100 Bar Blackout” and I hit the first 2 quick jack notes. The combo said 32, but right after that, it clocked me for a miss.

  141. I bet the people who tried to get AAA’s on non PFCable songs will be pissed with their high scores lost :P

    THIS ALSO MEANS YOU’VE GOT TO START UPLOADING MORE FGO’S TO FFR!

    Maybe even make a 13 difficulty.

    For Savants Only

  142. There already “Is” a 13.

    It’s Vertex Beta vrofl. There’s no name for 13s, so the box where the name would be is blank.

  143. Makes me want to subscribe…oshi subliminal messaging

  144. Haha, Will 0-framers be possible now ? (just hit those like current jacks ? )
    If so, Taking out the WOD in vRofl, It would be FC’able XD

  145. Taking out, As in “Without”.

  146. Demon Fire AAA, here I come–when it’s (AVMisses fix) publicly released.

  147. Finally!

  148. grey-hate, now, can we change the song on the ffr game when you first load it up? DO do do DO do do DE DO DE DO

  149. I would subscribe… because it’s out again now :) .

  150. version .710 ROCKS MY WORLD!!!!! thank you sssooo much for fixinging it, now u need to fix the reseting of the menu every time you want to try another song in the same catigory….

  151. still not getting back into this game, sorry

  152. FFR borkt, fix nao plz

  153. wow… this is amazing O_O

  154. WHEN WILL THIS BE PUBLIC?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

  155. why are people too cheap to pay $4 a month?

  156. We have no money…

  157. this is awesome but what about everyone who doesn’t have the Frozen Bond skill token

  158. I think my heart just had an avmiss. This is wonderful news!

  159. lmao sport

  160. This is an awesome thing to finally happen! I give praise to thee, Xelius.

  161. :) )))))

    Xelius > Synth

  162. LMAO, don’t get your hopes high non-subscrubs.
    AVMiss Fix won’t be public for another 3 to 4 months.

  163. Hence, why you should subscribe now. :D

  164. i have always been thinking about whether or not to subscribe but now i ABSOLUTELY have to..you guys have earned my 40 bucks. FFR wrist here i come….(carpal tunnel)

  165. not only wrist but fingers as well FFRthritist! is what i got! lol

  166. sexy

  167. Sport?

  168. WOW THIS IS INSANE love it…

  169. I just paid for a 1 year subscription!!! Yay!!! Can’t wait until it’s ready to go! =D

  170. Please try not to do any maintenance on the site tomorrow (Feb 1) from 8PM to midnight. I’m playing FFR for a talent show.

  171. Off topic, I know, but can a future update be that non-subscribers have 15 video saves instead of 5? Now that you know how the server handles them.

  172. I have a few videos (about 19) I’m kind of attached to. I know you guys want to make money, but I’ve always respected how you put the users first. I don’t intend to subscribe (no need to, and shouldn’t have to) but I have my heart set on a couple of shirts. (Hope to see a top 1000 of 2008 shirt!)

  173. mi4 inorder for them to allow non subs to hold more vids they need to expand there engine which in turn cost money. therefore the you need to subscribe, i do the $4/month deal.

  174. For the record…Wouldn’t the greatest night in FFR history be the night the fix is released to the public…And not just it’s testing?

  175. no it would not. lol stop being cheap people!!! you cant afford $4 a month?

  176. And why not? Because technically, avemiss was supposed to be “fixed” a while ago, not too long after subscribers were first introduced.

  177. Well I never said *unlimited* like you guys have. I’m trying to find the median norm here. And besides, if they do a server-wide wipe of all non-checked vids, you’d only have to worry about those who actually use their save checks. Most who have “clutter” are to blame, and they probably wouldn’t even use a save check. I keep mine pruned and streamlined.

  178. As far as “extra” features go, I only care about getting extra save checks for my vids. I don’t want to wake up and find my entire video DB gone, especially without warning.

    I don’t need all the extras, so I don’t intend to subscribe, but having a solid history (8000 games)with the site, I’m all for merchandise.

    It’s the merchandise that will get me to shell out some cash.

  179. i still cant hook up my afterburner to ffr :( . anybody know how?

  180. I don’t even know what that is.

  181. is that a gamepad? i dont think u could hok game pads on if u can tell me how!!!

  182. wtf, this is totaly unfair in mp, manson fc’d ggc in mp against a non subscriber.

  183. like i keep saying, subscribe people! then you can reap the benefits that we subscribers get. power to the payers!

  184. Goodbye annoying Av-misses 8).

  185. This is so awesome! I fc’d OMW!

  186. lol

  187. nice fix, but when you going to get 311 on ffr?

  188. I want to see Prima J’s Rockstar Oni steps on FFR sometime.

  189. I don’t want to see or hear about starving programmers :( If you had it so I could use a credit card to pay without using paypal, I’d probably subscribe about now or pretty soon.

  190. Well, maybe you’re not starving, but programmers shouldn’t have difficulty paying for living expenses in my opinion.

  191. Y los demas q? nos chingamos?

  192. peepee-vagina?

  193. Damn nothing new going on so far? Hows the AvMiss working out so far? I don’t usually have that problem unless it’s a song like… Victims And Martyrs.. or any song with quick and tricky or just long streams of jacks… I’m sure it’s not going to make that much of a difference and all FFR players will get used to it.. but I still prefer the FFR now. So I agree on the thought of being able to turn AvMiss on and off in the settings. And since in the previous news announcement was mentioned cookies for the settings it wouldn’t be much of a hassle for those who want to leave the AvMiss setting on.

  194. Godwar, you make no sense, why would you want to have avmiss on purpose? Don’t yu realize, that avmiss only forced you to hit arrow at the wrong time early, so you could hit second arrow. Actually encouraging you to be less accurate at this game.

  195. Yeah Maid… thats only when you completely suck at the game. Of course I meant to say the “AvMiss ->fix<-”… and because basically if the AvMiss fix is on, I may be wrong, But would that not mean if you don’t hit both arrows correctly that means you would get 2 goods/Avg’s instead of one?.. see I don’t want that my friend, there should be the choice to use it or not.

  196. yeah, I agree with both of you. Even though it is important to fix the avmiss glitch because the whole point of the game is to be as accurate as possible, it is equally as important to be able to turn avmisses on and off and too keep avmiss highscore boards because some people worked their asses off getting amazingly good scores with avmisses and it wouldn’t be fair if that was taken away from them.
    Also, this is going public when testing is done right?

  197. Runnymorning will be like… what… only challenging now?

  198. And I basically gave up avmiss training =.=

  199. This better be public soon.

  200. If the avmiss thing is still being kept from non-subscribers because there is still testing ok but if you guys are just trying to get more people to subscribe I think that anyone who would did. I don’t know about any of you other non-subscribers but I’m sick and tired of many many songs that I could easily fc without them. It is starting to effect the average rank too. I keep trying to improve my average rank and I come by songs with the glitch and I’m like “I’ll save it for later when avmisses are no more.”

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