i'm reading teh kjv bible

[s1rnight]

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i like the esv.

[sweet2kill210]

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nrsv is probably more accurate but nasb is probably go to for correctness + ubiquity.

Huh, I tried to read through the entire Bible, myself, a few years ago (didn't make it, but got through most of it) and settled on the NIV after researching the differences between each one, personally. I was looking for a translation that read more naturally in English, but also tried to keep the "intended meaning," however that's decided.

If this website is to be believed, though, then it looks like I should've tried reading the GW version?? Perhaps I took other factors into account that I don't remember; I just recall that I used several sources before starting to read it because I overthink everything.

https://beinnotof.com/post/bibletranslations

Sounds like choof already settled on the KJV, but just thought I'd share.

EDIT: Huh, and now I read sources saying the GW version's more of a paraphrase, so Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

[_choof]

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whoops, turns out atheist might not be an accurate title. agnostic seems more fitting now. if there's some kinda higher power tho it's definitely not this one lmao. there is some truly heinous shit in here.

Huh, I tried to read through the entire Bible, myself, a few years ago (didn't make it, but got through most of it) and settled on the NIV after researching the differences between each one, personally. I was looking for a translation that read more naturally in English, but also tried to keep the "intended meaning," however that's decided.

If this website is to be believed, though, then it looks like I should've tried reading the GW version?? Perhaps I took other factors into account that I don't remember; I just recall that I used several sources before starting to read it because I overthink everything.

https://beinnotof.com/post/bibletranslations

Sounds like choof already settled on the KJV, but just thought I'd share.

EDIT: Huh, and now I read sources saying the GW version's more of a paraphrase, so Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż

basically what I did first was look online at verses that I am familiar with and compare various translations, and ended up juggling between niv, kjv, and nrsv. niv is the translation that was used at my church and the one I'm the most familiar with, kjv is pretty widely considered to be one of the most important works of literature in the english language, nrsv was a translation I stumbled upon that seems to be used primarily by scholars. thanks for linking this, while I disagree with the whole "walking with god" bit, that graph detailing translations is pretty neat.

I did end up picking up the nasb. I read through several books using the kjv translation but it's honestly a really exhausting read, and I found myself frequently looking up words or phrases that I could kinda parse on first read/listen but wanted to be sure. a bit of an ironic twist I suppose, I'm studying the bible more now than I ever did as a teen rofl.

I genuinely think the niv ruins a lot of the vivid and intense language found in the kjv, and I think this makes sense given the niv is geared towards evangelism. it's palatable and easy to digest in bite size pieces, easy for the pastor to use a few verses from it during sunday service that won't be lost on anyone in attendance. but imo when reading it for not that purpose, it's boring as hell lol. I now understand what ap meant by "correctness + ubiquity."

[rushyrulz]

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whoops, turns out atheist might not be an accurate title. agnostic seems more fitting now. if there's some kinda higher power tho it's definitely not this one lmao. there is some truly heinous shit in here.

Agnostic is not a descriptor of any position on its own. It's just the scale on which you weigh the ability to know something. If you think it's within the realm of possibility to know {x} for sure, you are gnostic about {x}.

For instance, I am gnostic of meteorology, as I have seen compelling evidence that individuals (not even necessarily myself) are capable of predicting near-future weather patterns. So, while it is not a perfect science by any stretch of the imagination, I am of the belief that accurate, and even near-perfect forecasting is possible given enough time to research and advance the technology that allows us to do so.

Agnostic simply means that {x} is not within the realm of possibility to know for sure.

I am agnostic of the outcome of a fair dice roll. Until after it happens and I see the result, I do not know what the outcome would be.

When you get into the realm of religion, and specifically theism, that's where the can of worms gets opened up. This is why in almost all contexts when the word agnostic pops up, it's in the context of a God belief.



It's my belief that anyone who is gnostic on this scale is disingenuous, or in other words, does not have a sound reason for their belief. (Opinion) There just isn't really enough evidence, if any, to support or completely reject any God claims due to their unfalsifiable nature.

[_choof]

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if we're talking about the Big G, I definitely don't believe that exists at all, but if we're talking about god(s) in general, I'm not sure and I don't believe there's any way to know for sure. I'm still trying to figure out how to flesh out what I think in regards to the question of whether a higher power exists or not. atm what I can say is that I don't think any of the named gods that we've come up with throughout our entire history exist, at least as literally portrayed. I don't believe in the supernatural, but if such a thing exists, a higher power that might exist there is inaccessible to us and ultimately doesn't matter because of that.

aside from the unfalsifiability, I'm starting to think it's also incurious to say for certain that god does or doesn't exist lol. idk tho, I still want to read more. especially texts from the other large religions. I've heard the book of mormon sucks ass

[s1rnight]

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god is not a “thing” and so rarely if ever reveals who he is on the basis of one particular clear sign - nonetheless, he draws near to people who are open to him.

[_choof]

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he revealed himself to me in a sears dressing room and I had to call teh cops

[MarioNintendo]

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I really enjoyed reading Proverbs in the Bible. I'm going through it too.

[Travis_Flesher]

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the scale on which you weigh the ability to know If it's within the realm of possibility to know for sure, you are gnostic
I am gnostic of meteorology I have seen compelling evidence that individuals are capable of predicting near-future weather patterns.
... is possible given enough time to research

I am agnostic of the outcome of a fair dice roll. Until after it happens and I see the result, I do not know what the outcome would be.

I am gnostic on fair dice rollls. Admittedly, the stadard 2-six sided di on a level playing surface can become very predictable, due to rapid calculations of the player. Long story short, I studied this for quite some time, the biggest factors in it aren't quick eyes, but A: Tactlile sensation; feeling which dots are on your fingers.. and B: the axis on which the dice rolls, X, Y, or Z planes.. ayways.. it gets cool when the surface is bumpy. More dice and di faces are lame..
good post rushy, nice topic, glad you're doing well choof.

[_choof]

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I am not doing remotely well at all

[s1rnight]

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ah, its been a rough few days for me too …

“He reached down from on high and took hold of me;
He drew me out of deep waters.”

[Mollocephalus]

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if we're talking about the Big G, I definitely don't believe that exists at all, but if we're talking about god(s) in general, I'm not sure and I don't believe there's any way to know for sure. I'm still trying to figure out how to flesh out what I think in regards to the question of whether a higher power exists or not. atm what I can say is that I don't think any of the named gods that we've come up with throughout our entire history exist, at least as literally portrayed. I don't believe in the supernatural, but if such a thing exists, a higher power that might exist there is inaccessible to us and ultimately doesn't matter because of that.

15 years ago you were the most fervent supporter of chatolicism, how the turn tables...

But this thread made me think about how even though the holy books don't have an ounce of holiness in them, it's still a commendable effort to read them with an open mind, placing focus on the symbolism and practical purposes of some passages relative to the times they were written for instead of looking for direct guidance. I heard the Quran is an interesting read too.

[_choof]

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I wonder if there's a meaningful difference between holiness and divinity
but yeah lmao it's both kinda funny and frustrating to look back on all that. grew up in the church and was baptized as a Certified Born Again Christian™, then swung way too hard in the other direction and burned a bunch of bridges with friends I grew up with. thinking about the kind of stereotypically annoying atheist shit I was on makes me cringe pretty hard. I've been enjoying the bible way more reading it divorced from belief. it's also been pretty cool talking to family members who are still religious to some degree, especially my mom. hittin em with the more interesting verses like they're deep cuts. I don't think it's worth trying to convince believers to not believe at all anymore, it's an exercise in futility. my time is better spent just trying to get them to be better people generally, and in turn myself

I'm thinking I'll take a look at something I'm totally unfamiliar with next, most likely hinduism. I'll have to defer to someone who actually knows about it for guidance tho I suppose. like is the kama sutra hornier than song of songs

[_choof]

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was in cali on vacation with family recently, while looking for a menu in our hotel room I found the obligatory gideon's bible in the drawer, but also found a book of mormon. didn't have plans for that evening so I stayed at the hotel with my mom and skimmed through it for a few hours. and wow, it is incredibly fucking boring. and the writing is kinda bizarre at points. when jesus is quoted in the book of mormon I could see the kjv english bleed through but the rest of the stuff I looked at had this very odd combination of kjv and 19th century american english? I stumbled across a verse that used the word "verily" like 5 times. an entire page where basically every verse started with "and it came to pass." there's a person in here named "Zeezrom," which, incredibly badass jrpg name (legend of legaia ass name), but seems so out of place when compared to the other names in the bible that have a "z" in them. I made this jrpg joke to my mom about 30 seconds before finding another person named "Zenos," which, incredibly badass final fantasy 14 antagonist.

but yeah, mostly boring as hell. really does seem like "chloroform in print," as marky mark twain would say

[jacobvl39]

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I also read the Bible recently and have gotten interested in theology despite not really being religious myself. If you want a good Hindu text, according to my research this is the best translation of the Bhagavad Gita which is what people normally suggest starting with: https://archive.org/details/gitapres...roman/mode/2up