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  • imdlf1
    FFR Player
    • Jan 2008
    • 3

    #1

    Switching from arrow keys to askl

    hokai so I have been playing for a while using 2 hands on arrow keys and recently decided to give askl a shot. I'm using the same fingers I used on arrow keys(muscle memory yo) but I've noticed I still have to drop the difficulty of songs I play and even then can't really keep up with what I've been used to. Main question I have is this; Is there any definitive benefit to using askl over arrow keys or is it all psychological?
  • psychoangel691
    Retired Staff
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Dec 2004
    • 10438

    #2
    Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

    Once you get used to spread you will get better. I used to play on the arrow keys like you and was really reluctant to move to spread because I was playing worse and it felt awkward, but once I adjusted to how it felt I started improving at a rapid rate.
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    • Dynam0
      The Dominator
      • Sep 2005
      • 8987

      #3
      Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

      Your fingers are quite cramped when you use arrow keys; the extra room will be to your benefit when you get to the upper skill levels. Just stay with it and you'll adjust eventually.
      Last edited by Dynam0; 09-1-2013, 09:14 PM.

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      • igotrhythm
        Fractals!
        • Sep 2004
        • 6535

        #4
        Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

        Originally posted by psychoangel691
        Once you get used to spread you will get better. I used to play on the arrow keys like you and was really reluctant to move to spread because I was playing worse and it felt awkward, but once I adjusted to how it felt I started improving at a rapid rate.
        This. All the way. If memory serves, she and I decided to switch at around roughly the same time and both of us saw enough gains to get a few Most Improved Player votes during the annual forum awards that year.

        The main benefit to moving away from the arrow keys is it lets you hit hands and quads without worrying about losing presses to ghosting. Of course, you can refine this further with something like WSLP, which lets you maintain a more natural angle for your wrists, but it's all about what you're comfortable with. For now, you have to get used to the fact that your up arrow finger is on the same level as your right arrow finger. Funnily enough, I occasionally went back to the arrow keys for fun and I found that I still had most of the speed I had on spread. This was before I had to get a laptop, however...

        (I'm going to come clean here: I went arrows to arrow/numpad, to ASIL, to ASKL; as you can see, it's a process like getting used to a different speedmod.)
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        • imdlf1
          FFR Player
          • Jan 2008
          • 3

          #5
          Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

          Thanks for the replies. I went back today and tried a few songs around the difficulty im used to playing at (im by no means a fantastic player, hell the only song I've AAA'd is excite bike) but I'm noticing I still have the speed, its more or less getting used to where my hands are now that's the issue. I'll definitely work on it, as a lot of the benign things I used to slip up I'm not doing as frequently with askl. Once again thanks!

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          • gold stinger
            Signature Extraordinare~~
            Event Staff
            Game Manager
            FFR Simfile Author
            FFR Music Producer
            • Jan 2007
            • 6428

            #6
            Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

            I have no idea how you people play with askl or qwop.

            play thko, efji, or wdji.
            Originally posted by YoshL
            butts.


            - Tosh 2014






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            • Sgt. Traveler
              FFR Player
              • Aug 2013
              • 177

              #7
              Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

              Lately I've been trying to play ghkl, but that causes ghosting so now it's vbkl. Am I a bad person?

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              • mi40
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2008
                • 3655

                #8
                Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                weio

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                • Ohaider
                  FFR Veteran
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 2893

                  #9
                  Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                  welcome to FFR

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                  • Guest15937
                    One-handed elite
                    • May 2008
                    • 1464

                    #10
                    Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                    you two-handed nubs
                    The renegade has betrayed me.

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                    • Pseudo Enigma
                      ごめんなさい (/ω\)
                      • Aug 2012
                      • 2290

                      #11
                      Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                      I used to play on QWOP all the time. Then my keys broke and I switched to ERUI.

                      p.s. switching to spread is probably like turning inverted X axis off on an FPS game lmao

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                      • TheSaxRunner05
                        The Doctor
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 6144

                        #12
                        Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                        Originally posted by Sgt. Traveler
                        Lately I've been trying to play ghkl, but that causes ghosting so now it's vbkl. Am I a bad person?
                        I use GHKL, my laptop doesn't ghost those keys.


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                        • TC_Halogen
                          Rhythm game specialist.
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Music Producer
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 19376

                          #13
                          Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                          Originally posted by gold stinger
                          I have no idea how you people play with askl or qwop.

                          play thko, efji, or wdji.
                          convex setups *cringe*

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                          • rCaliberGX
                            D7 Elite Keymasher
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 2337

                            #14
                            Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                            Originally posted by TC_Halogen
                            convex setups *cringe*
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                            • TC_Halogen
                              Rhythm game specialist.
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              FFR Music Producer
                              • Feb 2008
                              • 19376

                              #15
                              Re: Switching from arrow keys to askl

                              hur, I'm dumb -- thanks, haha

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