Homosexual Marriages

[Chrissi]

Not really. Ever heard of sperm donation?

[Playingplayer]

Alright, here's your reason. The reason homosexual marriges should be allowed is because not allowing otherwise is discrimination, plain and simple. By forcing gay couples to have civil unions, you are seperating them from the rest of society, a mindless labeling that alienates them from other married couples.
If you quote tradition, I will point out that once slavery was accepted, society must evolve to be more moral and kinder to their fellow men and women. If you quote children, I will point out that many gay couples look to adopt children, and giving them a tax break will both encourage them to adopt and help provide with the child's upbringing, furthermore, if we are to assign tax breaks based on having children, should we not withhold these from married childless hetrosexual couples, simply because they don't have kids?
In the end, it's about equality, you can not justify discrimination based on the grounds of tradition, which has no logic or reasons to back it up. Homosexual people are just as intelligent and worthwhile as hetrosexual people, and you have no right to deny them equal rights simply because two gay men holding hands in public "offends your sensibilities".

[DracIV]

Ah, finally a good reason. Once last comment and I am done: The tax breaks for having children *are* withheld from hetero couples until they have kids. Married couples don't get a tax break until they have kids- before that it is simply a merging of their tax form.

[Jam930]

I think gay marriages are wrong.

[jewpinthethird]

Well, I think interracial marriages are wrong.

How is that any different from what you said JamJam?

[Playingplayer]

If you're going to make a solid statement like that, at least support it with reasons, whatever they may be. Otherwise how will you convince the readers that your argument is superior to your opponents?

[DracIV]

Jewpin, skin color isn't a genetic flaw from a natural standpoint, while being gay is, and skin color doesn't affect ability to reproduce or have any true effect at all. Orientation does have an effect.

[jewpinthethird]

Well, excuse me, I didnt know that homosexuals lacked reproductive organs.

JamJam said it was wrong for homos to get married. Well, many people thought it was wrong for whites and blacks to get married 40 years ago.

Homosexuals will be granted the rights to get married, and they will eventually be recognized by the Government. It just a matter of when.

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[Chrissi]

I hope jewpin is right.

See the thing is, I hope most people will agree that laws are made to keep society a happy place to be. No murdering because it kills people. No drunk driving because it hurts/kills people. No stealing because people lose their money that way.

Got me? Okay. Now, does it hurt anybody when gay people get married? No. If you say it hurts someone, you're lying. Bob and Fred want to get married. Wilma and Barbara want to get married. Who are YOU or I to say th at they can't? In each case, they are both consenting. They are both adults. They both love the other person. If Bob and Fred get married, they aren't telling YOU not to get married. They're not taking your money or hurting you, and they're not doing anything bad.

Even if you are religious and they are doing bad things in God's eyes, THEY AREN'T GOING TO STOP BEING GAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GET MARRIED. Is it like, "Oh we can't get married so I don't love you any more, I can't be gay, I guess I'll go find a girlfriend," NO! You can't tell them they can't sleep in the same bed or live in the same house, so why can you tell them not to get married?

Jewpin, skin color isn't a genetic flaw from a natural standpoint, while being #$* is, and skin color doesn't affect ability to reproduce or have any true effect at all. Orientation does have an effect.

I think there were gay cavemen. It's only natural. Humans are interested in sex of all types. "Hmmm he has something like me down there! I want to see what his is like"...

Haven't you ever seen a female dog hump another female dog?

Animals can be gay. It's gotta be a "natural" thing. Monkeys will play with same-sex monkeys, too. You can't tell as much because they can't really get to the sex, but they play with each other.

Gay feelings are NATURAL and if any person here thinks they have never had them, I gotta disagree. You have to be lying if you say you have NEVER been curious about the same sex. I will never accept that anybody has NEVER considered it or thought about it.

So basically it's not a "genetic flaw". The people are still physically capable of reproducing. They just choose not to.

It's similar to the way I'm getting married to a guy, but I am choosing not to have children. I have the capability, but I choose not to. Besides, if gay people want children they can adopt and stuff.

But this thread isn't about how natural it is. It's about gay marriages, so don't start talking about genetic flaws and defects.

[Jam930]

No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married.

I don't think homoeroticism is acceptable behavior in public. Sickening.

Who cares if monkeys touch other monkeys and crap like that. We are humans being and we know better... most of us anyways.

Marriage is a man and woman. Homos can create their own marriage type thing, they don't need the government's approval to be homo.

[Playingplayer]

How is getting married "in your face"? Do gay couples regularly come over to your house and ask if they can have their wedding there? You are not forced to attend, you are not forced to watch, it is your choice to have this behavior "in your face" or not.

While I would be upset if a gay couple were getting a little to friendly in public, I would feel the same way if it was a straight couple. Why should they be subject to different standards because some people find two men holding hands "sickening"? Almost everything is sickening to someone, should be disallow everything then?

I would hope that as human beings we would know better then to look down about people who are simply different. Look at it this way, when you die, would you rather say to God "I oppressed some of your sons and daughters because they were different from me" or, "I treated everyone equally and trusted in your guidance and wisdom to decide if it's right or wrong."?

The only real argument that I've found for disallowing gay marriage is a religious belief that they are sinners for doing so. So, by disallowing this, we are mixing church and state, and need to seperate them as soon as possible. Churchs don't have to marry gay people if they don't want, but they have NO right to dictate how gay people should live their lives.

[Chrissi]

No chrissi, you can be gay all you want. I don't care. As long as they're not doing it in my face and getting married.

I don't think homoeroticism is acceptable behavior in public. Sickening.

Who cares if monkeys touch other monkeys and crap like that. We are humans being and we know better... most of us anyways.

Marriage is a man and woman. Homos can create their own marriage type thing, they don't need the government's approval to be homo.

That was a fairly homophobic post. Firstly, most homosexuals do not like to draw attention to themselves in public. They usually get enough attention, getting harassed about being gay, etc.

Let me ask you this, where do you draw the line here? Because I draw it in the same place as I draw it with straight people. Do you draw it at holding hands, hugging, kissing, extended kissing, or sex? I draw it somewhere between extended kissing and sex, for all couples. As long as they aren't removing clothing or causing a scene, I don't care whether they're gay or straight. They can do whatever the hell they want.

Gay people can share regular kisses in public as long as they aren't eating each other's faces...

Now wherever you draw the fucking line, it had better fucking well be the same place where you draw the line for straight couples, or you, my friend, are a homophobe. And that is NOT a good thing to be.

[ChEeKyGaTo]

addressing the slippery slope stuff: seems the problem is with this, that homosexual marriages would open the door for other unorthodox unions to be granted legal recognition. Honestly, I don't see how this is something woth preventing. Let's take the most extreme case: beastiagamy (-gamy is the suffix regarding marriage, beastiality is the wrong word, technically) Hell, I'll even take it further, people trying to get married to inanimate objects. Let's consider the benefits of marriage: legal power concerning your partner, tax breaks / economic benefits. Concerning legal power, if the partner is incapable of communicating their wishes to humans, then we really can't do anything for them, now can we? I highly doubt Lassie could convice a doctor to draw up a DNR request for somebody. I think this would essentially take care of all situations of pairings between humans and animals, rocks, computers (non-AI comps, hell I'd even say if somebody wanted to get married to sentient AI program... go for it).

Hells yeah dude, that rock out there in my front lawn is damn sexy!

[ChEeKyGaTo]

My best friend's dad died, and guess what? His father had it in his will that my friend (his name is Eddie) would live with his homosexual aunt and her life partner. They are doing a damn good job raising Eddie, and its not like they are camp gay, or bull dykes or whatever, they are just normal people who happen to like the same sex, and Eddie is very happy with them. Its not like people at his new school say OMG U HAV 2 MOMS!!! UR GOING TO BE GAYYY!! HAHAHAHA LOLOLOL!!!! It just pisses me off when people discriminate another person because of sex/race/religion/whatever and i think you should just leave them alone and let them adopt a kid or two and get some governmental benifits, afterall they are raising a kid/kids so why not help them out a bit? They pay taxes and work like anyother schmoe..I dont even think this should be such a big thing, god damn give them their fucking tax break.

[ayanepuck]

wow...with an attitude like that, I am surpised that you don't discriminate more often.