Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challenges?

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  • Kilroy_x
    Little Chief Hare
    • Mar 2005
    • 783

    #1

    Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challenges?

    So let's say you randomly woke up as a different race, class, gender, religion in a context in which your wellbeing and concerns were systematically treated as invalid, or worse, actively undermined by a dominant group. Would you be better at handling this than an average member of this demographic themselves?

    I say yes. Granted my only experience is with being in a dominant social position, but I think I can make a reasonable argument based on purely abstract considerations. For example, I know that I am a very disciplined and awesome person. I also know that things like race, class, and gender have no inherent meaning. Anything that lacks inherent meaning clearly can't effect a person unless they let it. That's why I'm never effected by anything like disease, economic downturn, or natural disaster. These are all largely random and therefore meaningless events, and as such I rise above them because I have character and integrity.

    Therefore, looking at the widespread difficulties of these groups, I can only conclude that they want to be disenfranchised. Probably because it's fun and trendy, and gives them an excuse to accomplish far less than real people and still claim equivalent worth as human beings. The idea of "special difficulties" or "context" is just a mythos invented to try and make this difference in worth seem acceptable by validating a culture of victimization.

    I'm not trying to offend anyone here. I just don't understand this phenomenon of pseudo-disenfranchisement and want to learn more. I mean, race, gender etc. don't mean anything, so I'm just curious as to why certain races, genders etc let these things effect them in some sort of central way. I know I don't define myself by my race or gender. I don't see why everyone else can't be like me.

    In conclusion, I'm pretty sure I've proven through logic that I'm better than all these people, whose challenges I will never face. This makes me feel better about my life and restores my faith in a just world, since everyone who experiences bad things deserves them for putting so much focus on the superficial.
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  • Rubin0
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2006
    • 1276

    #2
    Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

    I think it's arrogant to assume that you would handle any situation that you yourself have never experienced better than a person that has or is experiencing it.
    The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

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    • Kilroy_x
      Little Chief Hare
      • Mar 2005
      • 783

      #3
      Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

      Originally posted by Rubin0
      I think it's arrogant to assume that you would handle any situation that you yourself have not experienced better than a person that has or is experiencing it.
      So what, I'm just supposed to take everyone's word for it when they whine about something not being their fault, or not being able to do something? You don't see the problems with that?

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      • Rubin0
        FFR Player
        • Jun 2006
        • 1276

        #4
        Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

        I wish you were more specific as to what group you are directing this? The first group that came to mind were paraplegics and people that are physically handicap in general. If you look at how society is set up, they have minimal accessibility to every day life. If I had to worry every single time I had to urinate whether I was going to be able to find a bathroom that would accommodate my problem, I would be pretty pissed off at the world.
        The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

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        • Kilroy_x
          Little Chief Hare
          • Mar 2005
          • 783

          #5
          Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

          Originally posted by Rubin0
          I wish you were more specific as to what group you are directing this? The first group that came to mind were paraplegics and people that are physically handicap in general. If you look at how society is set up, they have minimal accessibility to every day life. If I had to worry every single time I had to urinate whether I was going to be able to find a bathroom that would accommodate my problem, I would be pretty pissed off at the world.
          So you're saying that every single establishment in the world has to spend untold dollars accomodating these freaks by building special bathrooms for them? You don't even know how they got to be paraplegic. For all you know it was through irresponsible and wreckless behavior. And even if not, even if they're some sort of disabled war veteran, they should be responsible for learning to adapt to the world rather than asking the world to accomodate for them. That's what everyone else has to do and they shouldn't get special treatment or privileges just for being different.

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          • Rubin0
            FFR Player
            • Jun 2006
            • 1276

            #6
            Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

            Are you being serious?
            The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

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            • Kilroy_x
              Little Chief Hare
              • Mar 2005
              • 783

              #7
              Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

              Originally posted by Rubin0
              Are you being serious?
              Of course. What kind of point could I possibly be making by advancing this argument disingenously? It should be clear that I am completely serious.

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              • Rubin0
                FFR Player
                • Jun 2006
                • 1276

                #8
                Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                When you use words like freak when referring to people that are handicapped I can't take you seriously. If you honestly think you deserve any sympathy or empathy for your own situation then you should really take a look at how you look at the rest of the world.

                And with that I will not be responding to your posts any longer.

                Edit: Listen it's obvious that you are being passive aggressive over previous posts in CT, but this kind of post will only fuel resentment towards you and people in your demographic. Your pretentiousness and the condescending way in which you express your opinions will not aid in changing people's minds about anything.
                Last edited by Rubin0; 02-6-2011, 07:43 PM.
                The weight of what I say depends on how you feel.

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                • Kilroy_x
                  Little Chief Hare
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 783

                  #9
                  Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                  DERP

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                  • Kilroy_x
                    Little Chief Hare
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 783

                    #10
                    Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                    That reminds me. If minorities really want rights they shouldn't ever agitate or protest, because that's annoying. I blame the civil rights movement and the liberal mentality for this one, caving in to black people and setting a trend. The proper way for them to have earned their rights would have been for them to pay proper respect to their superiors until they elected to concede these rights to them. Y'know, saying yes'm and no'sah, referring to all white people as massah and averting their gaze in recognition of their inferiority.

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                    • Kilroy_x
                      Little Chief Hare
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 783

                      #11
                      Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                      I hate it when minorities compare their struggles to those of other minorities too. By the time you have a good example group, they're no longer minorities dumbass. They're part of the establishment, and therefore have every right to look down on you whereas you have no right to what they have, because they earned it and you didn't. Otherwise you would be part of the establishment too. This is just plain simple logic folks, GOD

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                      • Organist
                        FFR Player
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 26

                        #12
                        Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                        It's easy to say that you could face someone's problems better than them, when given the situation that you suddenly "wake up" in their position. But seeing as that's in no way shape or form realistic, this argument is invalid. People act the way they act based off of past experiences, not gender, not race etc. But let's just assume that your scenario were possible. I don't understand how you're so easily able to assume that you could handle their situation any better than they could. When factors such as constant discrimination, bias, preconceived notions, and stereotypes come into play, it won't seem so easy after all. Also, to write off those who act disadvantaged in society in as "trendy" is, needless to say, beyond ridiculous. There's so much faulty logic in your original post, I don't know where to begin. Nor do I think I will, because judging from your last several posts, this isn't a serious thread.

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                        • Kilroy_x
                          Little Chief Hare
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 783

                          #13
                          Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                          Originally posted by Organist
                          It's easy to say that you could face someone's problems better than them, when given the situation that you suddenly "wake up" in their position. But seeing as that's in no way shape or form realistic, this argument is invalid.
                          It's a thought experiment. It's meant to make you feel better as a non-minority at the expense of minorities.

                          Originally posted by Organist
                          People act the way they act based off of past experiences, not gender, not race etc.
                          This is still a victim mentality, blaming your own actions on something beyond your control (in this case the past).

                          Originally posted by Organist
                          But let's just assume that your scenario were possible. I don't understand how you're so easily able to assume that you could handle their situation any better than they could. When factors such as constant discrimination, bias, preconceived notions, and stereotypes come into play, it won't seem so easy after all.
                          Those things only effect you when you let them. If someone is racist to you, just ignore them. If you get fired for being gay or whatever, who cares. Don't let it hurt your feelings. Get another job. It can only upset you if you want it to upset you, and the only consequence of discrimination as far as I can tell is hurt feelings, so people need to grow thicker skins and just ignore all forms of discrimination without protesting or making a scene, and then the problem will take care of itself.

                          And even if you were right it doesn't matter anyways, because I would never get a chance to have the experience necessary to prove me wrong. As far as I'm concerned that's the same thing as being right, so there.

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                          • Organist
                            FFR Player
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 26

                            #14
                            Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                            Easy to say for a pampered white kid ranting away on an internet forum.

                            Also, please continue to treat the topic at hand as objective.

                            sarcasm

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                            • Kilroy_x
                              Little Chief Hare
                              • Mar 2005
                              • 783

                              #15
                              Re: Would you be better than a disenfranchised demographic at handling their challeng

                              Originally posted by Organist
                              Easy to say for a pampered white kid ranting away on an internet forum.

                              Also, please continue to treat the topic at hand as objective.

                              sarcasm
                              Now isn't that hypocritical, claiming to want to move beyond class and race and then turning around and rubbing my face in the fact I have tremendous unchecked and unquestioned privilege. That's discrimination you know. All I'm trying to do is blame you for all of the circumstances of your life, and here you are trying to say that my unfamiliarity with those circumstances calls my credibility into question? That sir is preposterous and antithetical to the discourse I am trying to have with you.

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