What happens after we die.

[Ryn2075]

Re: What happens after we die.

Izzy, TAKE A READING CLASS. Really...

I JUST said that my parents didn't force me to do anything, and that I made this choice on my own, AND that my kids would have that same choice. Did you not catch that? Or did I just imagine your post just now?

[Izzy]

Re: What happens after we die.

I'm not talking to only you. However I do not believe you.

[perfectchaoslemon]

Re: What happens after we die.

You are just claiming that you are taking other peoples opinion into consideration and then saying that we aren't 100% correct. No duh, no one is claiming they are absolutely right. If you were just going to come start a thread to shoot everyone down and ultimately never even change your opinion cause you so strongly believe you are right then what was the point?

You are quite annoying sir.

I like when people don't read my posts. I'm not shooting anyone down, or if I am I'm not intentionally doing so. Most likely you interpret what I say as shooting people down. That's fine. I'm listening to what people think, and then giving my two cents. I believe I'm right and I believe what he says can be right if afterlife is wrong.

[Ryn2075]

Re: What happens after we die.

Congratulations, you have the maturity of a walnut. ^_^

You believe what you want. I know what I'm gonna do.

[MrRubix]

Re: What happens after we die.

Oh man, stir-fry rules! Seriously, made me laugh (not in the bad way, it was just funny). XD

Your statement is completely credible. Maybe I am living according to something false. I can't really say if it's false or not. If, for the time being, I'm happy though, why should I change what I'm doing? If it's gonna bite me in the butt later, then I'm ready to accept that, but for now, I couldn't be happier. Don't I have that right?

Of course!

My whole point here though is that when deciding between A and B, one should be fully aware of the arguments of both before choosing. If someone's going to "not believe in evolution," they should first understand it correctly before choosing to reject it for whatever reason.

If you choose to believe in A because it makes you happy, then that should be your basis of belief, but it's fallacious to say something is true simply because it makes you happy. Truth in our universe is independent of what we may "feel" is correct, incorrect, intuitive, or counterintuitive. It's one thing to say "I live my life for happiness and therefore choose to believe in A because it makes me happy," but it's another thing to say "I believe in A and not B because B is wrong for these reasons X, Y, and Z" where X, Y, and Z are incorrect claims.

[Vanilla Mnm]

Re: What happens after we die.

I read a few posts and as a few have stated, I believe that death is just like it is right before you were born. I don't think there is a special heaven, a special place you go, etc etc. It could be a never-ending topic because nobody knows what really happens.

[Ryn2075]

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Ah, well then allow me to apologize for using X, Y, and Z without doing sufficient research. I HAVE delved into evolution, enough to make my own informed decision, but I guess I haven't gone in enough to provide X, Y, and Z as accurate claims yet. So for now, I guess I'm in the first group, the one where I'm happy. XD

On a side note, do you have any tips for playing spread? I can play the best using yours and AJ's layout, but it still seems like transitions between certain notes are a little funky, and I can't seem to get rid of it, probably because I was playing index for so long.

[perfectchaoslemon]

Re: What happens after we die.

There are a few problems here.

1. Experiencing something does not constitute proof, nor does something have to be experienced for you to prove it. There are many things we know for a fact that cannot be experienced (e.g. things happening on the quantum level).

2. My entire point was that death cannot, by definition, ever be experienced, because it is the absence of experience.

3. You've really got the burden of proof backwards here. You've done and said absolutely nothing to convince me that there's life after death, or that there is actually a spirit that exists. However, saying that there is life after death is a 'claim'.

Any claim is subject to the burden of proof; that is, before I should even bother taking you seriously, you should give me evidence and reason as to why you're right.

I know you wouldn't take me seriously if I claimed NASA just discovered a new extrasolar planet that is swarming with blue hedgehogs running around collecting golden rings and trying to foil the plans of a fat genius, especially if I didn't give you any evidence to support this claim.

But that's basically what you're doing here.

I, on the other hand, gave real life neurological examples of why you're wrong.


So really, give me some actual substance to your argument and I'll take you seriously.

As funny as the nasa quote was, you didn't really provide much information either. You basically just gave more descriptive details about how we permanently lose our state of consciousness, but in reality, if there is absolutely no way to grasp that fact, the chances are it most likely does not exist. Now I may sound like I am stubborn and naive for saying this, but to an extent, it is somewhat true.

Take God for instance, he is an all supernatural being according to that faith, but even if what he does is difficult to grasp, at least we can get a general idea of what he can do and what it may feel like. Same goes for heaven and hell, we can kinda get a general idea of what it feels like to be in both places, extreme happiness and extreme sadness.

If you can give me one example of something that has been proven and yet is impossible to explain, then I may change my mind, but it seems like the issues of after death and before time existed (I'll explain more of what I mean about that if you ask me to, even though that would lead us to a completely different debate topic) and how we cannot perceive our existence just doesn't seem graspable in the slightest.


EDIT: I'm done debating here for now. I know I'll get a ****load if hate mail from others because I contradicted myself a few times here and there (which I know I did) and I don't have time explaining myself (which sounds very immature), but I'm going to go ahead and see where this conversation leads to (no, I'm not chickening out because I don't want a debate assuming I'd lose, I promise).

[ledwix]

Re: What happens after we die.

What I see as a theme ITT is the fine line between proximate and ultimate causation. A few of you guys don't understand that nature is endowed with certain laws that govern the motion of particles. For instance, all the objects in the world tend to be forced toward the same point: the center of mass of the earth. How is it that we are all attracted to the exact same point in the earth's core, without even trying or even being aware of it? Well, nature is endowed with an attractive force on all bodies, charged and uncharged, that works across large distances. Our bodies don't fly in random directions but instead all fall toward the same point in a rather organized series of events. But does gravity imply that an intelligent being is constantly, actively working to push everything down? No. And in the same way, nature doesn't necessarily act completely randomly at the chemical level. There is some natural degree of organization that takes place with organic molecules. The question then becomes not necessarily the low chance of life forming in any given place but instead the origin of these natural laws themselves. As for the ultimate causation, I am led to conclude divine intervention, whereas most atheists would conclude "we are working on it, but we cannot say anything for sure yet." In essence, I feel that the theistic position is that there does exist an ultimate cause, whereas the atheistic position is that the ultimate cause exists only as another proximate cause leading to the universe's initial conditions.

[N.T.M.]

Re: What happens after we die.

Well one thing I'd like to address is just the incessant misuse of the word fact. Many aspects of evolution are factual (ie natural selection), however the theory is entrammeled with misrepresented facets (namely facts appose to "logical inferences").




That is all.

*takes a seat*

[Mollocephalus]

Re: What happens after we die.

ledwix. there's a difference between saying "nobody knows for sure why the laws of the universe are like that, so i'm inserting god there" (and you're still substituting a question mark with an even greater question mark) and "science has proven this and that but i'm still gonna credit god because it feels right and i was taught like this". Disregarding any factual evidence practically make these people garbage-spouting morons with no perception of reality, hence it's useless to reason with them. i don't even know why are they allowed to post in critical thinking if all they're capable to say is uninformed standardized christian propaganda.

[Choofers]

Re: What happens after we die.

ledwix. there's a difference between saying "nobody knows for sure why the laws of the universe are like that, so i'm inserting god there" (and you're still substituting a question mark with an even greater question mark) and "science has proven this and that but i'm still gonna credit god because it feels right and i was taught like this". Disregarding any factual evidence practically make these people garbage-spouting morons with no perception of reality, hence it's useless to reason with them. i don't even know why are they allowed to post in critical thinking if all they're capable to say is uninformed standardized christian propaganda.

Hi, I'm a Christian but I still don't know what my stance is on death.

I accept the fact that my rate of death is higher than most Americans, but that still doesn't change the fact that no one REALLY knows what happens after death.

Theoretically speaking, since your body shuts down and begins to decay, you should return to a state of nothingness and cease to exist. I like to hold onto the belief that there is a heaven and hell though.

[Mollocephalus]

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"Like to" isn't a very good approach when talking about moral matters, especially when it obscures what you actually know and what you don't.

[cixOclock]

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Why is christianty always attacked by you atheists?
He has a belief, let him believe it, don't attack him for it.
Your worse than a racist with your anti-religious overtones. Seriously, just let it drop. No one cares.

[dore]

Re: What happens after we die.

"Like to" isn't a very good approach when talking about moral matters, especially when it obscures what you actually know and what you don't.

Why not? If you're looking at something you cannot either prove or disprove, why shouldn't personal fancy be a viable choice? Now it's one thing to try to "prove" heaven and hell or the Bible or whatever like some of the idiots in this thread, but since he just mentioned his personal beliefs in without saying anyone else's is wrong, what's wrong with that?