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  • stargroup
    FFR Player
    • Jun 2007
    • 974

    #16
    Re: emotional intelligence

    Rubix pretty much covered most everything I was about to say.

    Originally posted by Tokzic
    Emotional intelligence is a very secluded branch of intelligence that really only applies to empathy and is a small part of socializing. Having a high emotional intelligence has extremely little to do with whether or not you're a successful person.
    Wrong. Emotional intelligence is certainly not as narrow as you make it sound. Logos refers to IQ, but ethos and pathos are all related to EQ, and it is important to a person in order to function normally in society, as well as just being able to talk to other people.

    As for being successful, there's never a concrete way to say whether or not someone will be or not. Perhaps someone with only average IQ/EQ has a revolutionary idea, or perhaps someone is just lucky and pushes himself/herself to the top. However, the general trend is that people with at least average EQ or IQ and an incredible measure of the other one do really well in real life.


    The rest of this is a crosspost from KBO:

    I think you guys have some misconceptions. There are some points in here that are valid, most definitely, but many of the ideas you have brought forth are actually not true.

    Originally posted by awein999
    of course the book touches upon a lot more aspects of life then this, the main point of the book is that emotional intelligence is more important than intellectual intelligence and that the two different life skills are indepedent of each other. There are people with lower IQ's that "succeed" in society while people with higher IQ's "don't succeed" (succeed as in ultimately do what they want in life, what makes them happy, not necessarily the most respected job or the biggest home) because emotional intelligence is not shown in the IQ, IQ really is a very small part of life. Emotional Intelligence, the book, states that Intellectual ability is 20% and emotional intelligence is 80% of influence in life's successes.
    Emotional intelligence (EQ) is more important than IQ, but only in a practical sense. Overall, however, the most important thing is balance. This is true.

    However, it is impossible to assign percentages like you have here. 80%/20% might be applicable to a janitor, but for a physicist, you would obviously need to have much more IQ. It's all conditional. Part of EQ/IQ is being able to figure out how much EQ/IQ you actually need for each circumstance and being able to adequately adjust to your surroundings.

    So while your general concept is correct, you're misguided about the importance of each.

    Originally posted by awein999
    how it relates to me: The k-12 system (I'm currently a senior) tends to put you in a room and bash you on the head with purely intellectual concepts such as just about all the academic classes in high schools (exception being social science but it's not a required class). At least in my high school, Weston MA, most students eventually come to only care about grades and they become increasingly obedient as they move up the chains in the k-12 grade system. Less imagination is used and we are taught to conform and obey like little drones. We learn to take a huge range of concepts and simplify it as much as possible, almost never the other way around. This is what the big corporations want, little drones who obey without question, little factory workers and sorters who don't understand what he or she want in life. Albert Einstein once said "Imagination is more important than knowledge".
    This is a load of bull. You're only trying to make excuses for yourself.

    First of all, school has no influence over a person's EQ/IQ level. School only enters information into our brains, but computing power resides in the person itself and nothing else. In fact, your EQ/IQ level is mostly determined by genes and interaction at home. The fact that you blame the school for this is completely inaccurate.

    However, as a senior, I'm sure you indeed have taken a few courses that in fact do "limit your creativity." However, these courses are only found in the upper levels, and are debatable. From K-8, there should be almost no dispute that the education is at the very least adequate enough to endorse creativity while learning new concepts. High school, once again, is debatable.

    The problem with the education system in this country is not that it limits your creativity. In fact, we are actually pretty well off. We have tons of resources. The only problem is that these resources are being wasted, and the system is not personalized enough. There's actually nothing wrong with the teaching. The teaching is fine.

    On that note, enough about the education system. That's a completely different topic altogether.
    (´・ω・`)

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    • korny
      It's Saint Pepsi bitch
      • May 2004
      • 4385

      #17
      Re: emotional intelligence

      Originally posted by KgZ
      thats the same thing as effort

      also I can be a nice person and have a great personality but if I can't get good grades aka have a poor work ethic nobody will care.
      Can't tell where you were going with this, but try selling security systems without having even a high school diploma. My friends make a 100K plus figure because their "emotional intelligence" is "high". Were I as well connected as them I would be doing it right there with them.

      Academics are important for a career requiring them to whatever extent that they're necessary. That same career could also require a certain degree of "emotional intelligence". People boasting intellectual intelligence to be greater, can be doing so because they lack the emotional intelligence that others do, and likewise, this can be reversed. To say either one is greater or more important is futile, because certain careers don't require certain things and can produce just as much money, ultimately leading to the success and happiness you'll achieve in the end.

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      • korny
        It's Saint Pepsi bitch
        • May 2004
        • 4385

        #18
        Re: emotional intelligence

        Ah, I can see how you got confused reading that. I meant the opposite of how you perceived it. You said "if I can't get good grades aka have a poor work ethic nobody will care." And I was simply disagreeing.

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        • MrRubix
          FFR Player
          • May 2026
          • 8340

          #19
          Re: emotional intelligence

          For any job you can provide an example for where you can earn 100K from "emotional intelligence," I can give you hundreds where skills and brains win out. It's not impossible to succeed with crappy grades/etc, but it's certainly a lot harder.

          I also want to make a distinction: Getting a job through family connections doesn't have anything to do with emotional intelligence. If you're good at BS'ing your way through an interview though even if you're devoid of skill, then emotional intelligence would help in this regard -- of course, don't expect to get promoted much if you're actually an underperformer.

          Rational/academic intelligence is the primary driving force that keeps our world advancing -- "emotional intelligence" merely greases the wheels and acts as a way to advertise your underlying assets. Of course, you need the assets to advertise to get anywhere.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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          • korny
            It's Saint Pepsi bitch
            • May 2004
            • 4385

            #20
            Re: emotional intelligence

            Originally posted by MrRubix
            For any job you can provide an example for where you can earn 100K from "emotional intelligence," I can give you hundreds where skills and brains win out. It's not impossible to succeed with crappy grades/etc, but it's certainly a lot harder.
            Of course you can. With that fact put out there, lets just completely disregard emotional intelligence altogether! Since there are more high paying careers requiring academic credentials.

            Also, I don't remember saying anything about family connections. I'm loving this presumptuous attitude. Can't help but feel like everything you've said surrounding the emotional intelligence area, has been biased and likewise, condescending towards it's importance and value.

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            • MrRubix
              FFR Player
              • May 2026
              • 8340

              #21
              Re: emotional intelligence

              Originally posted by korny
              Of course you can. With that fact put out there, lets just completely disregard emotional intelligence altogether! Since there are more high paying careers requiring academic credentials.

              Also, I don't remember saying anything about family connections. I'm loving this presumptuous attitude. Can't help but feel like everything you've said surrounding the emotional intelligence area, has been biased and likewise, condescending towards it's importance and value.
              How on earth is anything I've said in this thread presumptuous and/or condescending? Everything I've said regarding the two different skill sets has been accurate. Feel free to pick out something to substantiate your claim.

              And yes, I never said you mentioned anything about family connections because, as far as I can tell, I am the one who brought it up, lol -- what's your point?
              Last edited by MrRubix; 10-23-2009, 08:25 PM.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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              • korny
                It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                • May 2004
                • 4385

                #22
                Re: emotional intelligence

                Originally posted by MrRubix
                How on earth has anything I've said in this thread presumptuous and/or condescending? Everything I've said regarding the two different skill sets has been accurate. Feel free to pick out something to substantiate your claim.

                And yes, I never said you mentioned anything about family connections because, as far as I can tell, I am the one who brought it up, lol -- what's your point?
                Can't recall accusing you of being outright condescending. Tis' only the -feel- I get from reading your posts good sir.

                Forgive me, I was under the impression that your -random- mentioning of connections( in your case family connections), had something to do with my mentioning of friends having connections for a 100k+ job not requiring academic credentials.

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                • MrRubix
                  FFR Player
                  • May 2026
                  • 8340

                  #23
                  Re: emotional intelligence

                  Originally posted by korny
                  Can't recall accusing you of being outright condescending.

                  Originally posted by korny
                  Can't help but feel like [...] condescending towards it's importance and value.
                  ^this. Substantiate, please.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0es0Mip1jWY

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                  • awein999
                    (ಠ⌣ಠ)
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 4647

                    #24
                    Re: emotional intelligence

                    I've found that what has been said in this thread has been helpful in progressing the topic at least up to post #24. Rubix's and stargroup's opinions are more deeply thought out than mine I admit.
                    Originally posted by Staiain
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                    • korny
                      It's Saint Pepsi bitch
                      • May 2004
                      • 4385

                      #25
                      Re: emotional intelligence

                      Feel-to have a particular sensation or impression of
                      Feeling-a sentiment; attitude; opinion

                      I went on to say that this is the feeling I get. I never said "you ARE...etc". Excuse my confusing tone. I can see it's made discerning from what is, and is not to be somewhat difficult on your behalf. Most understandable. Tis' the dilemma we sometimes face while posting on the internet.

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                      • Mollocephalus
                        Custom User Title
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 2608

                        #26
                        Re: emotional intelligence

                        emotional intelligence seems like an interesting concept but very badly developed, reading this thread. a borderline-but-not-so-much-pseudo-scientific speculation about something that most people have experienced is not something i'd call an interesting read, but a starting point for further analisys for sure it is.

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                        • Reach
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2003
                          • 7471

                          #27
                          Re: emotional intelligence

                          I know I'm a bit late getting in on this topic, but whatever.

                          Maybe EI vaguely exists and maybe it could be important, but I can make a very good argument for why we can't measure it, which means that as a psychometric property (such as IQ), it's an entirely useless construct, and that it's not actually an intelligence.

                          Tests that currently measure EI do not show high reliability or validity of measurement. Actually, many tests of EI do not measure what they are supposed to measure. One particular study showed the highest loading factor being measured on classic EI tests, e.g. MSCEIT, is conformity. That is, people that score high in this supposed 'emotional intelligence' just conform well to standards and norms. They're the robots that do whatever they're told, as referenced by the thread creator.

                          Other studies have shown that high scores on EI tests do not have external validity. E.g. you might have high knowledge of emotionality and how to respond in various situations, but that does not translate to actually behaving that way in real life.

                          People tend to respond in ways which are socially desirable, not ways in which they actually behave. This makes it just about impossible to ever develop a valid model of EI that can testable.


                          Also, because of these things, we shouldn't be calling it an 'intelligence' to begin with, because it goes against the standard definition of what an intelligence is.

                          EI is really just IQ - cognitive capacity for complexity - applied to a single domain - emotions. It is not an intelligence, but a skill. An intelligence is a natural ability to grasp complexity and abstraction; it is what you do when you do not know what to do. Dealing with emotions is highly culturally and socially dependent and is something that you learn to do - it is not an innate capacity.


                          So yes, the capacity to deal with people and their emotions is integral with respect to social interaction, which is obviously related to success in life, since success largely depends on how well you can kiss ass. This, however, is a learned ability and not an intelligence, and it is doubtful we would ever be able to measure it reliably.
                          Last edited by Reach; 11-29-2009, 07:55 AM.

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                          • kommisar
                            Dark Chancellor
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            FFR Music Producer
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 7327

                            #28
                            Re: emotional intelligence

                            essencially EI will always be based on society

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