Is it possible for an idea to exist without a mind?

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  • Specforces
    Yes
    • Jan 2004
    • 5028

    #1

    Is it possible for an idea to exist without a mind?

    Is it possible for an idea, or anything like an idea, to exist otherwise than in a mind?

    You could draw a parallel with Mechanics. There's no such thing as absolute
    velocity. All velocity is relative. Nobody or nothing can be descibed as
    absolutely stationary. You, for example, are standing or sitting on the
    earth which is whizzing through space around the Sun which is whizzing in
    space around the Solar System, which is whizzing through space .... and so
    it goes on. You must have experienced sitting on a train in a station and
    not being sure whether it is you who are moving or the train on the next
    platfrom.

    Perhaps you could argue there is no such thing as an absolute idea. An idea
    is a perception which must have a frame of reference to exist. And one
    person's frame of reference must, by definition, be different from another
    person's. Any criminal lawyer will tell you that if two people descibe an
    incident, both will believe they are telling the truth yet both will give a
    (slightly) different account of what actually happened. What is small to
    someone is big to somebody else. What is perceived as good by one person
    could well be perceived as bad by soembody else.

    The problem comes I think when you address yes/no or on/off or true/false
    situations. It is not true that all numbers are less than 100. 99 is. 52
    is. But 105 isn't. Is this absolute or relative? But then I suppose you
    could argue, what is a number?

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  • perfect_fat
    FFR Player
    • Mar 2004
    • 161

    #2
    I guess it depends on what an idea truly is. If an idea is simply an action of the human brain, than ideas couldn't exist without a mind.

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    • Anticrombie0909
      FFR Player
      • Jul 2003
      • 4683

      #3
      I think you're asking two differnet things here. Are you asking whether actual ideas in their solid form can exist, then yes. You could say that fire was an idea of man. You could also say that fire exists without man. Fire in it's mechanical form was invented by man, but it would occur anyway, so it exists even without man's help. If you're talking about the conceptual idea, a thought that one comes up with, then no. You cannot have thoughts without a mind.

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