Québec bill 195

[devonin]

Re: Québec bill 195

I'd probably vote for them to do so. It's stupid and against one's rights to keep people part of a country when they don't want to be.

They've had more than one vote and voted to stay. Clearly nothing approaching a strong majority of people in quebec want to seperate.

[emerald000]

Re: Québec bill 195

Being a Quebecer myself, I would like to correct some points.

Most of Quebec citizens are PQist

Totally false. The political party governing Quebec is the Liberal Party. PQ got 36 seats (out of 125) and they got 28.35% of the vote. So no, not the majority of Quebecers are PQists. Moreover, I can say it is mostly older people from the time where the PQ was stronger that are PQists. It has difficulty reaching younger people.

What? France doesn't hate Quebec.

Let's say they don't exactly like us. It's all coming back from colony time, where we decided not to be part of the USA and to continue supporting England while France took the American side.

Now, I would like generalizations to stop. We are not all in that line of thought.

According to Léger Marketing [one of the biggest survey group here], an overwhelming majority of Quebecers now want PQ leader Pauline Marois to withdraw her proposal or rewrite it so that it is in line with the Quebec and Canadian charters of rights.

The PQ directive line is to promote the separation of the Quebec from the rest of the Canada. It is normal that it will try to pass such bills. They passed twice in their history a vote for independence. Twice it failed. And now, the PQ is even weaker, having less than half the seats they had 10 years ago.

It also has to be noted that the Liberal party rewrote a good part of that bill in order to remove the nonsensical measures.

Us Quebecers are not generally fund of that kind of ideas. We also like English. We like the rest of Canada. We are only speaking another language at home. That's all.

[Verruckter]

Re: Québec bill 195

This bill was passed because the French language constitutes the foundations of everything that makes a Quebecer a Quebecer. Thinking and speaking in French is the fundamental element in being different in the sea of English-speaking North America. I think it's a great way to keep the language alive.

Ironically enough, though, most Quebecers that will whine about being "Assimilated" by the English can't even speak French properly themselves. It's very hypocritical, if I may say so.

[kommisar[os]]

Re: Québec bill 195

I think that officially, any legal document should be in both languages. As far as not getting rights because of language is absolutely retarded. Canada is known for its diversity rather than assimilation, quebec is no exception. Quebec has been mostly french for centuries and I doubt it'll change any time soon. So why would they try to assimilate people within their province? It's still Canadian soil and laws should be respected as such.

I have lots of quebec roots. If i were from quebec, i'd rather say that i'm a french canadian than strictly a quebecois. English and French languages can work together. The city I live in is a perfect example. We're the only officially bilingual city in Canada as of 2002. 40 years ago, the french population here was hated just like the english hated people from quebec (here was worse we were being compared to nazis). To this day, both languages live in harmony and knowing how to speak them fluently is a huge advantage.

If only quebec could learn to harmonize with the english population like acadians do, maybe other provinces wouldn't think so badly of quebec.

[Cavernio]

Re: Québec bill 195

"Ironically enough, though, most Quebecers that will whine about being "Assimilated" by the English can't even speak French properly themselves. It's very hypocritical, if I may say so."
It's not hypocritical if they want to speak french properly, whatever you mean by 'properly'. You can look at it as that they're whining that they ARE being assimilated by English, instead of worried that they will be.

[devonin]

Re: Québec bill 195

That's like criticizing someone who is bad at english for complaining that Canada is being assimilated by the United States.

[-Fallen-]

Re: Québec bill 195

Quebec wouldn't be such a bad place if it weren't for the seperatists, the PQ and the recent change in Liberal party being majorly french all of the sudden. There's absolutely nothing we can do to stop them, it's never going to change.

What I'm tired of is basically the french walking around strutting their stuff like they are the ****, like they earned the right to take over the province and then in a split second they are crying and trying to defend their rights and point out what Quebec did to struggle against adversity and fight to be a province blablablabla.. I fall asleep half way through their speeches.

Fact is if it wasn't for Ontario, Quebec wouldn't really be what they are today. Thanks Ontario, you've got Don Cherry breathing down our necks and even before this travesty of a man, you allowed the Quebecois to voice their opinion and allow them a seat in the goverment.

Anyways, to stay on topic with the immigration thing.. I absolutely hate what Quebec is doing, whether it's a new citizenship requirement or not, it's just another ploy to gather more people to vote for the PQ or whichever french party by forcing the immigrants on their side or else they won't be allowed in the province. The province is full of opportunity for natives and immigrants alike, but french government are just collecting more immigrants or drones basically, so tally up the votes whenever a bull**** Referendum pops up so they get that much closer to completely transforming the entire province french.

I love Quebec, or at least the area I'm in ( West Island, Montreal, South Shore ) but this whole assimilation and the requirements to obtain even a ****ty mall job out here are absolutely unecessary. What I mean by that is, they'd rather hire a pretty girl for their sick **** fantasy who barely speaks a word of french, over a willing capable english/french speaking male who's appearance may or may not be universally accepted, this is what they do..really pathetic.

Also what I've noticed while traveling to Plattsburg(sp?) last week. Very nice stores, high quality clothing etc etc.. The people working there (IMO may I remind you) less than acceptable at best. Womans victoria secret, not a pretty girl in sight, not slutty enough dressed either as far as Quebec standards are concerned, our victoria secret type of stores have tits and ass jumping at you on your way in. Pac Sun your skater/sporty store is equivalent to our D-Tox/Amnesia store.. I saw like 2 fat midgets working that had beards as if they were growing them out for christmas play the local santa clause, less than acceptable in Quebec, our skater/snowboarding stores are PACKED full of FREAKS who think they know whats best for you, tattoos head to toe, skinny skinny chicks with piercings and freaky hair, and guys who wear girl clothes and basically look like beat up wanna be gangsters selling skateboards.

Very different culture even from just taking one visit you know?