Post your scorces please.
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you can start at CDC.gov
there are many more, but those are some...i used many resources from newespapers to magazines to biology too btw...
so what i didnt mention before...i said HIV gets into a CD4 cell and hijacks it, but i didnt really say how...its quite an easy thing to uderstand though...HIV gets into the cell and using reverse transcriptase makes a DNA copy of its RNA genome...of course transcriptase is a common protien in humans that makes an RNA copy of our DNA...hence reverse transcriptase...any way it makes a DNA copy of itself and then actullay imbeds thats chunk of DNA into the host cells DNA...it is irreversible...so as basic logic would have it, the best way to stop aids is to not let HIV into your CD4 cellsOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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To learn what genetic engineering will be like, I think you should look at computers, seeing as we upgrade them frequently, it would resemble humankind with enhancements. We all recieve enhancements to upgrade ourselves, and as we upgrade ourselves, we become better, faster, stronger, and smarter. We will not have the willpower that normal humans have, and our organic selves will be destroyed. Those with money will have the absolute power, and humans will not be able to compete with the enhanced beings. Organic humans will deteriorate, and the older enhanced beings will be nothing but outdated garbage. Everything will depend either on the power of your enhancements or the amount of currency you have. We will have created a new race, a race that can preform amazing feats that humankind couldn't even imagine. So, it's either a good or a bad thing, good if you want to advance science and explore space, and bad if you detest the constant upgrade of computers and the recycling the old, it's your call.rawrComment
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well spook what do you have to say...i saw you on a few times today...i understand, you better get your story straight before you make a fool of yourself, or ill do it for you...Originally posted by VxDxComment
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Bam.Originally posted by CenrightComment
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*modifies his own genes* yay I have 15 arms and 4 legs.. I'M A MUTANT (w00t)
but to talk about the actual topic:
let's say we do make perfect humans (on a genetic level), would they turn on us? probably not.. remember that no matter what, they can still be killed. all we need is to plan ahead and get an army of people who could wait for that one day, everyone has shotguns and machine guns. perfect humans, without guns, or regular humans (and possibly some of the perfect humans), with guns, who would win?
I think we should stop trying to play god. you want engineer a potato that grows 5 times faster than a regular potato and can grow to be 10 times bigger? fine, just don't go making bears with wings, the strength of an elephant, and the intelligence of a (SMART!) humanAfrobean16 (8:58:05 PM): you're evil incarnateComment
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Humans will do things because they have the will to do them, no matter what even if you stop the "Perfect humans" once, mankind will try it again, and eventually they will fail. Humans trying to play God? Humans have God-like abilities already, the power of a God is the power to create, just walk up to someone and kick them, this creates a conflict between two human minds, and to one human mind, it creates pain. Just think of reality as the Imperial Forces in Star Wars, and the humans as the Rebels, they will eventually conquer over everything no matter even if it means having a man that can lift twelve blue whales, run faster than a cheetah, and think greater than any one else. It's only a matter of time...rawrComment
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I just got home from work, son, and i don't believe for a second the crap about the mutated protein providing immunity against hiv completely, which is why I asked all those questions to begin with. Mutation is so high among viruses because of their replication process that I doubt very much it is probable, but i am leaving open a bit of room for it because I remeber something about a person in Australia having a unique condition to something, but i don't know what.
Don't even step to me and try to make me believe you're intelligent. You know nothing of HIV and AIDS. I've watched a half dozen people die to it firsthand and for you to tell me it is incurable is a sham. It will kill more people, yes, but it will not destroy every last person in this world. That's impossible. Anything that happens in this world can be altered or stopped, the only reason it isn't is because we don't possess the knowledge yet to do so. I don't particulary like hearing people make claims like that on a forum, especially since so many of the readers don't know much about it and just take what they hear as truth. that's how lies are propogated. If you wish to seed your thoughts with regurgitation of real science, then do so elsewhere. I'm finished with this argument, Makaveli. You've proved nothing to me.Comment
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well how are you gonna stop it....how is anyone gonna stop it....it cant be stopped, so logic says everyone will eventually be exposed to it sometime...it may take 500 years but it will happen if it isnt stopped...im not trying to prove anything to you...it quite apparent you know nothing of the immune system or aids or anything...please, the only arguement ever made was that you didnt think i knew what i was talking about...that arguement failed horribly, i showed you up like none other...the fact is you think you know so much and you havent said anything on the subject, which makes me to believe you really dont know anything...im pretty sure youre a moron...you would call something a lie without having a damn clue...i sighted some resources did you even look at them...yeah thats what i thought...facts are facts...and the fact is you dont know shit...so stfu please, youre making a fool of yourself and embarassing your fellow biologist
*EDIT* there really is no arguement at all because all im doing is stating fact...if you want to argue about facts go ahead...the only thing i said that can be argued was that everyone will be exposed to AIDS...and logic and common sense and time say that, that is true...of course i cant predict the future but the hypotheis makes sense, and there is no way, right now, that you can refute that hypothesisOriginally posted by VxDxComment
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Ok, to start, I've always respected you a good deal, if only for the radio broadcast and all, but what you are saying is complete bullshit. Especially that you feel that you can talk down to makaveli ("son", "Don't even step to me and try to make me believe you're intelligent").Originally posted by SpookG
First off, I know nothing of this issue, so that's not what I'm going to address. I'd like to know, spook, just what it is you do that makes you such an expert on this. You said microbiologist earlier, and you seem to know a good bit about that, but I'm not sure. That would give me a bit more respect for your opinions, but still not much.
The way I see it is that you don't agree with makaveli's opinions and you question whether or not he knows what he's talking about. Obviously he does, seeing as he posted excellent support, however you retort with only that you don't believe him. You never give any support for your case. When you do bring it up you say that you have several friends who've had to deal with HIV/AIDS and you use that as though it entitles you to more intelligence on the topic. In reality though, it seems to me that it just ties you to the issue more emotionally and thus less logically.
As it stands, I'm more inclined to believe makaveli because you have come up with no support of your opinion spook.Comment
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All right, fine.. You want support for my opinion? How about some common sense and a basic understanding of the disease.
HIV spreads through direct human contact. This is a huge thing to consider. Spit and sweat doesn't even cut it. Semen and blood, vaginal fluids. HIV can't survive very well outside of the human body, and it is unlikely it will evolve into a virus that can any time soon. That's why SARS was scary to health officials. It was airborn, and that makes the world of difference.
HIV infections were on a decline until about a year ago, because the preventive measures of education, sterilization of needles, arguments for safer sex, screening blood, etc.. It works, because it prevents direct contact. That means it can't spread any further.
So let's say it does kill off millions more and there is hardly anyone around. Well those who are left won't get infected then until they swap fluids with someone who is, and since it is harder for them to get to each other, i find this less likely to occur.
And another thing... People are living with AIDS longer, and death is subdued for a time because of drug treatments, but if that isn't good enough for you consider this. The culture of America is get it now instant or it can't be done, we're bored. Most people don't understand the molecular world is very complex. You know that watered down ATP chart you get in high school bio? The real one, involving the actual pathways, etc, is a surrealistic nightmare compared to it. And that is just a simple process. So much occurs on such a small scale, it is almost beyond comprehension, so it is very hard to deal with a disease on its own playing field, simply because in order to stop it we have to know entirely what is going on, and that takes time, a lot of time.
Given enough time and focus, like if finding a cure became a national effort, it can be done. But since everyone thinks the rainbow of terror alerts is more pressing and important, then it will hit backburner and the disease still is spreading. HIV will probably never be fully eradicated, but in the future it can at least become controlled and not as potent as it is now. The fault for it is not that science can't find a cure, it is in politics and people not giving a shit.Comment
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everyone knows how HIV spreads...thats like third grade...people are living with aids longer, but is that a good thing...its a valid question, they can continue to spread the disease...it raises a huge moral issue...millions of people are worknig on aids/hiv...how many esteemed scientists do you think it will take...it has little to do with the man power...hiv mutates faster than any other virus, each one is practically its own strand (dont know if thats really opinion or fact)Originally posted by VxDxComment
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Recent studies have shown that some Africans are developing immunities to the disease, don't ask me where I got it, I saw it briefly on CNN.Comment
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i wonder how they tested that...sounds fishy to me...Originally posted by VxDxComment
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Interleukin 2 is an antiviral medication!!!Originally posted by makaveli121212
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