Are We All Related

[devonin]

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Also, even if other people existed at the time of Adam and Eve's creation, they would have all died off in the flood. After the flood, Noah, his family, and his ark of animals, are the only things left on Earth.

I actually recently had a whole conversation with my mother about Noah's Ark. When she was younger and in catholic school, one of the main causes of her dissatisfaction with the church was the constant response of "Just have faith" She asked if the flood killed everyone but Noah's family, then how were there so many people all over the world, of different races etc. And was simply told "How dare you question! You have faith!"

In later years, she had an anglican minister give her an answer that had she been given it years earlier, might actually have kept her faith: Of -course- they wrote it like the entire world was flooded. As far as they knew, it -was- the whole world. The writers of the story of the flood simply weren't aware of the existance of other civilisations elsewhere in the world.

There is plenty of historical, geological etc evidence that there actually was widespread flooding of that area of the world around the time of the flood stories. However, no such similar evidence exists to suggest that the entire planet was flooded at that time.

[GuidoHunter]

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In later years, she had an anglican minister give her an answer that had she been given it years earlier, might actually have kept her faith: Of -course- they wrote it like the entire world was flooded. As far as they knew, it -was- the whole world. The writers of the story of the flood simply weren't aware of the existance of other civilisations elsewhere in the world.

Of note: This is the answer I heard given on a national Catholic Apologetics radio show a week or so ago.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[lord_carbo]

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Lord Carbo, your passage doesn't say much about where these people came from...let alone that they came from different lands or spoke different languages.

Tower of Babel.

[callum111]

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Yeah we are. the first people are created by god, they have a baby and they die as the other is an adult while the father of the kid is still alive and the kid is a girl and they have a baby and so on.

[charleychar]

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Why do you hate God devonin?[/i]

I've only just become a member on this and I've been reading some of the stuff your talkin bout in the forums. I just wanted to say in response to the quote above ...

- It does make sense to argue that God is beyond our comprehension and I agree that just because we don't understand something, doesn't mean it can not be.
- However, I don't think you can conclude that God is omnipotent (all-powerful). There are many signs in everyday life that go against this claim, e.g natural evil such as earthquakes and the evil created by humans such as murder. If God is omnipotent, why doesn't he enforce justice? Why doesn't he stop evil? Perhaps, he can but he does not. Does this then bring into question God's omnibenevolence? The God of classical theism doesn't seem to work alongside the world in which we live.
- Some will argue that evil is needed in the world and is part of God's plan, and so just because the world isn't perfect doesn't mean God isn't all-powerful. It makes sense really as if we never know evil then we can never know the value of good. However, if god is all-powerful and all-loving, why then must some suffer gravely to learn the value of good while others do not. How is that loving and how does that demonstrate a powerful God?
- Maybe, God is all-powerful and did create the perfect world. Maybe us free-willed humans are to blame for the problem of evil? That fits with the Adam and Eve story. But then gave us free will, and we are in no way responsible for natural disasters, so this argument too is questionable.
- Or perhaps evil and God's omnipotence can co-exist. Maybe the evil in the world is God's way of ounishing us for our wrong doings. But, it seems to me that nowadays there are too many innocent sufferers for this to be true. An example could be young soldiers dying at war, what did they do to deserve that? And is that what their families deserved too?
- The point that im trying to make is that God's omnipotence is questionable, not conclusive.

I'd also like to add I wrote this at 3.06am, so it may not make any sense as i am tired. I've read lots of devonin's stuff ... i think you rock!

Charl, 17 xx

[devonin]

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Omnipotence is logically impossible.

Incredible power beyond the ability of a human to comprehend, sure. but actual -all- powerful omnipotence? Contradiction in terms.

[jewpinthethird]

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Tower of Babel.

Still doesn't explain where these mystery people came from. Cain's murder and exile happens way before the Tower of Babel.

charleychar, I was being sarcastic.

Of -course- they wrote it like the entire world was flooded. As far as they knew, it -was- the whole world. The writers of the story of the flood simply weren't aware of the existance of other civilisations elsewhere in the world.

Again, this makes sense, but how can the Bible be the infallible word of God and be wrong at the same time?????? (extra question marks added for emphasis)

[devonin]

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The only parts where the bible claims to be the infallible word of God are the parts where god is directly quoted speaking to people. Otherwise, it is assumed to be divinely -inspired- which is not necessarily the same thing as Godly infallibility.

(Of course the real answer is: "well...it isn't" but someone has to argue devil's advocate without begging the question, so I guess that's me)

[jewpinthethird]

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The only parts where the bible claims to be the infallible word of God are the parts where god is directly quoted speaking to people. Otherwise, it is assumed to be divinely -inspired- which is not necessarily the same thing as Godly infallibility.

(Of course the real answer is: "well...it isn't" but someone has to argue devil's advocate without begging the question, so I guess that's me)

But Creationists argue that the Bible is historically and geologically accurate and cite as their source of information. Sorry....but how can Creationism be taken seriously if the Bible isn't as infallible as they claim?

[Grandiagod]

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In later years, she had an anglican minister give her an answer that had she been given it years earlier, might actually have kept her faith: Of -course- they wrote it like the entire world was flooded. As far as they knew, it -was- the whole world. The writers of the story of the flood simply weren't aware of the existance of other civilisations elsewhere in the world.

So God decided to only violently murder one part of the world? Because his wrath at humanity only included a specific group of people besides being defined otherwise in the bible?

Oh, sounds like a good idea to me.

[eastsideman09]

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tl;dr

but to the topic starter

Because every single human came from parents.So the first two humans two have kids,had kids then it keeps going and going and going up too now so did we all come from the same Greatx45678 grandma and grandpa?
What do you think of this?

scientists have found that there is proof of a "Genetic Eve"..... theyve not found anything about an Adam, but there is proof that there was an "Eve"

[Grandiagod]

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scientists have found that there is proof of a "Genetic Eve"..... theyve not found anything about an Adam, but there is proof that there was an "Eve"

post this proof plz

[eastsideman09]

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i actually originally saw it on the History Channel or something.... lol

but i went and found this site...

http://www.answersincreation.org/biblicaldating.htm

but to save time, this is whats relevent to the Eve thing....

"Next we must consider mankind’s origins. The most favored theory now is the “Out of Africa” theory, which shows that a genetic “Eve” from which we are descended came from Africa about 150,000 years ago. This “genetic” evidence is based on mutation rates of mitochondrial DNA of 1 every 20,000 years. Some research suggests a ratio of 1 to 10,000, thus cutting 150,000 to 75,000 years.4,5 Interestingly, the people from this genetic Eve are said to have migrated from Africa to the Middle East, and from there they spread out over the world."


the theory is that mankind originated in Africa, but it states that there is proof of the genetic Eve.... i could search for more more if needed....



EDIT**

ok, apparently i was a little off? found something else saying that you can trace every womans DNA to an "Eve".... at least from what ive read..... (tl;dr)

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/07.19/genes.html

"Most genes are shuffled like a deck of cards when people have children; offspring carry a combination of genes from their mother and father. Not so with mitochondrial DNA which is passed unchanged from mother to daughter. Therefore, every woman alive today can trace her mitochondrial DNA back to a single woman - to a genetic Eve."


but the males also come from the females, so im gonna just infer that you can connect, somehow, male DNA to the "Eve" as well....

[jewpinthethird]

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Too bad the Earth is only 6,000 years old...and it only took God 6 days to slap together the Earth....

and DNA is witchcraft.

This is all fact, I know this because God told me so. Prove that He didn't. You can't. God wins.

[Tps222]

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The thing that bothers me about this thread is how Jewp is utilizing sarcasm mixed in with serious attacks to make his questions lighter in tone, but still posessing the same inquisition.

It sure is amusing though.

I don't think I understand the title of this thread from a grammatical stand-point. Is "We All" a pronoun, or some form of noun? Do you mean "Are we (all related)" as in some super awesome uber form of relatived...ness?

In all seriousness, it depends on what you define as being "related". If you take it to it's literal definition, then yes. Sans Spontaneous generation, which could have religious implications to perhaps include it in my opinion, I guess everything originated from some type of Alpha Ancestor, whether it be some type of God, or some type of matter/process/etc.