Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

[MRTL_mrclean17]

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Supposedly, the 1st moon landing was done by Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin.

Some background information:

The space program in America was started to counter the U.S.S.R.'s program which launched not only the 1st object into space (Sputnik the satelite), but the 1st manned mission into space. We had to beat them somewhere, so why not the moon? Unfortunately, Russia beat us to the moon, with the unmanned Luna missions. Luna 16, 20, and 24 all returned with moon rock samples.

This is all considered fact and so far, undisputed.

Here is where the contraversy starts:

The U.S. was convinced (and in my opinion, rightly so) that we were being embarrassed by the Soviet's advances in their space program, which was obviously doing way better than ours. So we had to save face by beating them somewhere. And thus the Apollo program was created. The mission of the Apollo program was to put a man on the moon, and safely return him to Earth.
With several unsuccessful missions to the moon, Apollo 11, containing the now famous Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin landed on the moon.
Five other missions landed as well:

• Apollo 11 - July 16, 1969. First manned landing on the Moon, July 20.
• Apollo 12 - November 14, 1969. First precise manned landing on the Moon, within walking distance of Surveyor 3.
• Apollo 14 - January 31, 1971. Alan Shepard, the only one of the original Mercury Seven astronauts to walk (and golf) on the Moon.
• Apollo 15 - July 26, 1971. First mission with the Lunar Rover vehicle.
• Apollo 16 - April 16, 1972. First landing in the lunar highlands.
• Apollo 17 - December 7, 1972. Final Apollo lunar mission, first night launch, only mission with a professional geologist.*

In total 24 American astronauts have travelled to the Moon, with 12 walking on its surface and 3 making the trip twice. Apollo 8, Apollo 10 and Apollo 13 were lunar-orbit-only missions with no moon landings. Apollo 7 and Apollo 9 never left Earth orbit.*



There are many people who are convinced we haven't landed on the moon. I would be interested to hear your opinions. I personally think that we did, in fact, land on the moon, based on the information provided.
And I apologize if this thread has been done before, I have done a keyword search of this forum and found absolutely nothing.


*Excerpt from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing

[Squeek]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

Well, the reason there's controversy is because of all the strange happenings and the timing of it all.

As I recall from a special a few years back, here's a breakdown of it all.

1) Wind on the moon. Flags shouldn't be waving because there's no air. Flags in the footage clearly wave.

2) Doctored photos. Grid marks should be in front of everything, but some are covered.

3) Multiple shadows. There's only one source of light on the moon: the sun. Some photos have two shadows on them.

4) Perfect photos. The cameras were chest-mounted and had no viewfinder. Hard to imagine great photos taken with those.

5) Radiation. Huge belt of radiation around Earth that a half-inch layer of lead wouldn't protect against.

6) Deaths. A lot of people who knew things died. One in particular was a safety inspector who decided the Apollo was totally not ready for space travel. He died days later in an accident.

I've seen evidence supporting and refuting these claims, so I don't know what to think. Personally, I don't see why anyone doesn't just get a super-powerful optical telescope and point it up at the moon. Surely we'd find the remnants of the landers or the flags, right?

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

I've seen evidence supporting and refuting these claims, so I don't know what to think. Personally, I don't see why anyone doesn't just get a super-powerful telescope and point it up at the moon. Surely we'd find the remnants of the landers or the flags, right?

Well, I think most of the landings were opposite the side facing earth.
I'm not completely sure, though.
I believe several countries were planning on making moon missions of their own to see if america had indeed landed on the moon, yet seem not to willing to do so.

As for the flag waving, supposedly the pole was vibrating from when they put the pole into the ground, and this caused the flag to shake.
You would think that the government if they were to fake something this big on scale, that they would throw out this obvious of footage.

[tsugomaru]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

I searched up "did we land on the moon?" on Google and this site popped up: http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm.

His stance is we did land on the moon and focuses a lot about the photography. He explains why the photos are legitimate and many other space related things. In college, he took a lot of astronomy related classes as well as one in photography.

~Tsugomaru

[Squeek]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

You'd have better luck with this, tsug.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_we_ever_land_on_moon%3F

[jewpinthethird]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/missions/apollo15_touchdown_photos_010427.html

Nuff sayd.

[Kraezymann]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

Had to:

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

I'll allow this post.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Reach]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

It's ridiculous that some people still actually think we didn't we didn't land on the moon.

The apollo missions were not faked. All claims against the missions being real are usually based on virtually no understanding of astrophysics. Claims like, "hey look the flag is blowing around" and, "hey look that rock has a C on it must be a prop" are laughable at best.

[slipstrike0159]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

There are logistics of any government associated incident that can make anyone shout 'conspiracy'. Only in rare cases have i heard it was staged and anyone who suggests it can only find a few details that really arent significant to scream "the government is lying!"

On the shadows thing, just because the sun is the only source of light doesnt mean its the only thing shining light on the moon. Let me explain, we see colors and light everywhere on earth right? While it initially came from the sun, the light rays are reflected off of things and onto others. In this case, other planets and things floating around in space can reflect the suns light while the moon experiences some of this reflection. I am fairly sure its safe to say that if you look at the earth from the moon you will see it glowing, which is the light reflecting off of it from the sun in your direction.

Also, how is it possible for it to be staged if we have eye witnesses who watched the shuttle take off, go into space, and come back with people inside?

[MRTL_mrclean17]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

It's ridiculous that some people still actually think we didn't we didn't land on the moon.

The apollo missions were not faked. All claims against the missions being real are usually based on virtually no understanding of astrophysics. Claims like, "hey look the flag is blowing around" and, "hey look that rock has a C on it must be a prop" are laughable at best.

Well it's not completely rediculous, and some claims are, in fact, based on astrophysics, like the Van Allen belt for instance is supposed to have enough radiation to kill most bioforms that pass through it, yet the astronauts had somehow survived. Now perhaps the astronauts who did the lunar missions didn't stay in the belt for very long to see immediate effects, that is all I can come up with to explain that off.

Had to:

Wow, where did you find that? Don't reply in this thread just Pm me.

[Reach]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

Well it's not completely rediculous, and some claims are, in fact, based on astrophysics, like the Van Allen belt for instance is supposed to have enough radiation to kill most bioforms that pass through it, yet the astronauts had somehow survived. Now perhaps the astronauts who did the lunar missions didn't stay in the belt for very long to see immediate effects, that is all I can come up with to explain that off.

Start showing me some claims that are based on real physics >__> (actually, i'm just saying that don't because I've already read all of the horrible moon hoax arguments XD).

The radiation you would get from the belt would be harmless unless you stayed in it. At best it might increase the likelyhood slightly of getting cancer down the road...

But hell, when you go to the dentist your getting smashed with radiation and people survive that just fine Ever gotten a full jaw xray? Yea, I'm pretty sure you're getting just as much radiation from that as flying through that belt.

It does make it pretty hard to sleep though, as you would likely see flashes even with your eyes closed...but they were only there for a short period of time. I think it takes 3 days to get to the moon, though they could probably get them there in less than 24 hours now (with questionable gforces >_>).


Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMzfqP0oWKs

related 8)

Edit: changed video, I think that one has the moonlanding part in it XD

[-SPONG3Y--DDR--M4N!4C-]

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The Moon landing was real. Even it was more than at least 50 years ago from now it is truly believed as a true moon landing.

The reason why people does not believe the moon landing is because they are jealous and they envy NASA because the astronauts went to the moon and the jealous non-believers did not.

The issue of the lunar landing is actually a human mental error which was caused by too much emotions. It is easily resolved through mental resolutions and deeper understanding of human philosophy, but, people today are too mindless, too arrogant, too physical and too emotional. There's no place and time for the mind for humans today.

[archbishopjabber]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

Why would someone go through all that effort just to fake landing on a rock? I think it would be much more difficult to lie about it than it would be just to launch some guy in a tin can onto the thing and call it a day.

[lord_carbo]

Re: Moon landings: Fact or fiction?

Why would someone go through all that effort just to fake landing on a rock? I think it would be much more difficult to lie about it than it would be just to launch some guy in a tin can onto the thing and call it a day.

Actually, there's a lot of **** involved with putting a guy on the moon.

Imagine trying to shoot a target moving 10 mph from mile away with a bullet that travels 15 feet/second. Something like that, just with a lot more precautions you need to take.