habitable planet found.

[RB_Dreamscanner]

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i wonder what would happen if earth was gonna like die lol, how deh fuk would we get to a new planet =/

[Reach]

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Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but there isn't bacteria on mars. Bacteria would be considered life, and I've never heard of actual life being on mars. I googled Bacteria on Mars and only found things about how some Earth bacteria COULD survive on Mars.

Next, we can't travel the speed of light, nor send messages at the speed of light (Unless they hooked up 2 computers that could send/receive morse code. But the light would probably dissipate in space). It would take a hell of a lot longer than 30 years to get there. Then it would take about the same time to receive data.

Also, why does the Earth need to spin to keep the layer of ozone working?

Anyways this is pretty interesting. I can't wait to hear more. (Although I'll probably be 40 by the time there is something new on this haha)

Last time I checked there was evidence on ancient bacteria on mars, but they wern't sure and there was some debate over the whole issue. Since mars has water on it, it's not a complete long shot. Either way, sort of irrelevant to my argument, since I was making a simple hypothetical comparison. I think the whole idea of the topic was that it was mostly a hypothetical question, if you could fill in the gaps right now for getting there and such.

Also, it could take a lot less than 30 years to get there. Given we could get our speed up to about 182000 miles per second, because of time dilation speed outside of the ship would be moving over 25 times faster than in the ship. In terms of how fast we're moving in our reference frame, about 4550000 mps now. Given it's 21 million light years away, we could get there in about 310 days ^^ About half that if you could get your speed up to 184000.

It's questionable as to if you could survive at such speeds. I would figure you might be able to, but of course we have absolutely no idea right now XD



It does strike me as interesting though, when people say Earth is unique, yet astronomers have looked at less than 200 planets outside our solarsystem out of who knows how many quintillion or more there are that exist and have already found one 'similar' to Earth >__>

[Chromer]

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XD Spook actually spoke.

[flashman41]

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It does strike me as interesting though, when people say Earth is unique, yet astronomers have looked at less than 200 planets outside our solarsystem out of who knows how many quintillion or more there are that exist and have already found one 'similar' to Earth >__>

Hmm, we've looked at quite a few more than 200 planets outside our solar system... Where are you getting this information?

[AOL_blows911]

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Hmm, we've looked at quite a few more than 200 planets outside our solar system... Where are you getting this information?

To put it bluntly, no. We've looked at far more than 200 STARS outside of the solar system, but only discovered ~200 extrasolar PLANETS

Wikipedia says:
"An extrasolar planet, or exoplanet, is a planet beyond the Solar System. As of April 2007, the count of known exoplanets stands at 229."

And as to the origional question about leaving for a possible planet, I don't believe it's possible at the moment. If, for some reason, we could....meh, I don't know if I'd go. Depends on what we know about the given planet. If the environment is tolerable, and we have good info on it, I suppose I'd go, but it'd be a hell of a hard decision, so I'm not sure. But, like I said, we still can't make a journey that long, so it's a moot point. :/

[Lamoc]

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Being fully honest I have seen in articles that we have seen and looked at over 200 planets. Besides that, I think its worth a shot. I mean, our planet isn't going to hold out another few hundred years the way we're handling it. It even shows within the next 50 years water levels of the oceans could raise another 40 feet. Storms would get worse and we would be in a major crises. We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time. If it gets down to it, we're going to need another planet. This might not be such a bad opertunity. I'm all for developing another planet.

[AOL_blows911]

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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time. If it gets down to it, we're going to need another planet. This might not be such a bad opertunity. I'm all for developing another planet.

Well if were just talking about getting people off-planet to help lighten the load on Earth, that's much more attainable than setting up a colony in another solar system entirely. I personaly always thought Mars and the Moon were good first options for colony sort of things. I've always kind of liked books on topics like that. If any of you read the Stone Dogs, that kind of deal (with underground / artifical habitats being built directly into the planet, and terraforming). Or at least more complex and inclusive space station program (as in the Ender's Game series, again that only makes sense if you read the books). Not only does that seem more directly attainable to me, but it just seems like an overall good idea. Lowering the current population, opening up new firlds of resources and research...all seems good to me. Long-term project, definatly, but doable.

The real problem, to me, at least, would be keeping up communications and trade between a colony and Earth. If a colony was sent and then forgotten, anything could happen to them. Massive tragedy, historic scientific breakthrough, and we'd never know. The colonists' society would evolve to the point of being completely different from ours. Physical pressure coupled with the break from society would cause drastic changes, possibly leading to the point of the colony and Earth not being abe to get along at all. The point of setting up a multi-system/planet economy is what a project like this would be all about, in my opinion. Any thoughts on an off-planet project inside our system?

[Lamoc]

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another colony would be good, but eventualy we will need another planet. There most likely are ways to communicate that far.like TV channel stations. I read somewhere that the frequency under a certain type could go many lightyears out. It was a while back.

[devonin]

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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time.

We have machines that are hideously expensive, unwieldy, and for their size can put maybe 15 people into space in a way that is any kind of useful, and when you subtract the number of people needed to actually make it work properly, you don't really have room for a lot of settlers.

Further, our abilities to terraform are scanty at best when applied to our own planet while we stand on it, terrafroming another planet from that same ship is functionally an impossibility with our current level of technology.

I mean, as it stands, we can do maybe -one- of "Put a bunch of people into orbit", "Send a ship to another planet", and "Build a habitat capable of supporting human life" But I really don't see a way that we can do all three, in sequence, in one go, unless our goal is successfully allowing maybe 2 or 3 people to live in an enclosed habitat on the moon, for a few years.

[AOL_blows911]

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another colony would be good, but eventualy we will need another planet. There most likely are ways to communicate that far.like TV channel stations. I read somewhere that the frequency under a certain type could go many lightyears out. It was a while back.

Exactly. My point with having another entire planet (specificaly one in another system, a terraformed Mars is close enough not to realy matter). Its not HOW FAR the message can go, but rather HOW FAST IT CAN DO IT. What good is it to have a utopian planet 30 lightyears away with a group of colonists on it, if a message to them takes 30 years to get there and another 30 to get back, let alone another ship taking that round trip. To maintain a working colony anywhere else, we need to keep communications and trade viable, otherwise we might as well all pack up shop and leave Earth entirely.

edit: typo's >.<

[Lamoc]

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first i say we should get some people go fly out there immediately. like a group of 15 or so like devon mentioned. just to start us off.

[devonin]

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And when they get there they do what? All get out of the spaceship, collapse to the ground and asphyxiate?

[Reach]

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We do have technology of getting people in outter space and we do have machines that can semi-perma put us to sleep for a long period of time.

Let's talk about this for a second. Sure, we could put people to sleep...but wait a second. This thing is at least 21 lightyears away. Given even our most advanced propulsion systems, at our current abilities it would take at least 350,000 years to get there. That's just a ridiculous amount of time...I just can't see it working out. We're going to run into problems in the less than a year it takes to get to mars. There are tons of things that can go wrong. At this point we would never last 350,000 years.


And you're telling us we should send people out there for a test run? And uh, just wait around here for 350,000 years to see how it went? XD We could be another species by then.

Mars is a much much better short term goal >__> Given our current abilities it wouldn't be hard to colonize the moon. They had plans for this, but I'm not sure if it's still on. We have the technology to colonize mars as well, but politics slows this kind of stuff down. I think the first man on mars mission has been delayed to like 2030.

[mmeegghhaann]

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If this planet is 21 lightyears away shouldn't the light that we are seeing from it's star and the planet be 21 years old? What if, in that 21 years, something has happened to the star and/or the planet, causing it's destruction? All of this would just be a waste of time. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

[Maid]

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If this planet is 21 lightyears away shouldn't the light that we are seeing from it's star and the planet be 21 years old? What if, in that 21 years, something has happened to the star and/or the planet, causing it's destruction? All of this would just be a waste of time. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

What if I get hit by a car once I get out of the house! Better stay at home.