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  • Kilroy_x
    Little Chief Hare
    • Mar 2005
    • 783

    #31
    Re: Home Schooling

    Originally posted by devonin
    Even the most broad and shallow education in philosophy is better than no education in philosophy at all.
    I'm not sure about that. Would you say the philosophy of Marx holds the same level of truth as the philosophy of Kant? This is the type of question Philosophers themselves bicker over. Past that, there are plenty of instances when societies educated in Philosophy have created more problems than they've solved. Thiestic philosophy held back society for countless centuries. More recently, Physicists had to deal with criticism from Philosophers who believed a vacuum was a philosophical impossibility, and that only the existence of the hypothetical element ether could explain various things. I believe we have our own Rene Descartes to blame for that collossal screw-up.

    Your imagination, as you've already admitted, is not a sound basis for argument.

    the biggest pitfall to homeschooling is that there is -absolutely- no oversight on parents to ensure they are doing a good job.
    Right. It's pretty much identical to public school in this regard. We would hope that parents would have the best interest of their children in mind, although this is no guarentee, nor would it guarentee a decent education. We might also hope that children's natural curiosity would compensate for any lack of energy on the part of the parent.

    The point is though, outside of all this imaginative speculation of ours, that no one really knows what they're doing in terms of teaching, so there's really no incentive to dissallow home schooling. There is the slightest bit of incentive to dissallow public schooling, simply because it costs money, but it also has measurable, although likely somewhat randomly generated benefits, so the money is probably worth it. That doesn't mean there aren't ways to improve on the system, however.

    You won't necessarily know the parent screwed up until the kid wants to go to college and completely bombs the SATs. At least in schools you theoretically have the benefit of testing throughout, though the efficacy of most school testing in north america is pretty dubious as well.
    Tests generally teach how to test. A proper education teaches how to think. While in the later case the one might include the other, learning how to test generally doesn't include learning how to think.

    Incidentally, some of the thickest people I've met have been Ivy-Leagers (not to say that most ivy-leagers that I've met have seemed unintelligent.)

    There a plenty of low-standard or open-admission colleges, they probably educate just as well even if they do have a lower population of people with an arbitrary number attached to their name, and studies have shown that, at least for undergraduate degrees, there is no real difference in income earned over a lifetime between someone with an undergraduate degree from a state college and someone with an undergrad degree from a private college.

    Basically, I don't understand what possible standing objection there could be against any form of diversity in education.

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    • KamonKi
      FFR Player
      • Feb 2007
      • 58

      #32
      Re: Home Schooling

      might be nyce

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      • devonin
        Very Grave Indeed
        Event Staff
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Apr 2004
        • 10120

        #33
        Re: Home Schooling

        Basically, I don't understand what possible standing objection there could be against any form of diversity in education.
        On that we agree completely. I was just trying to forward the point that if nothing else, teachers are presumed to have undergone appropriate education and training to be competent to teach, whereas most parents have not.

        I'm not saying all parents would be worse educators than all teachers, that's nonsense, just that I'm leery in general of home-schooling because of the lack of needed qualifications, and the lack of any kind of testing system.

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        • Kilroy_x
          Little Chief Hare
          • Mar 2005
          • 783

          #34
          Re: Home Schooling

          Conversely, I'm arguing that the "needed qualifications" of which you speak have as little guarentee of promoting sound education as untrained parents, that they mostly just add another level of complexity and that they do so without uniformity or clear purpose, and that the testing system is ultimately a hollow construction which guarentees in no way the quality of education.

          If we look at it a different way, imposing tests is a form of imposing costs. Sometimes these costs subtract from the quality of education by making it neccessary to teach to the test rather than to the individual. On top of that, the tests often have very little to do with the ideal education a person would in theory receive from an education system. Beyond even that, however, funding is often based on test performance, which makes in some ways "teaching to the test" the primary goal of institutional education, and any actual education secondary and peripheral.

          The best test for the quality of an education is not an actual test, but what type of person the education produces. If a person is capable of being social, of having a conversation, of surviving in the world through the use of the skills and knowledge they have gained, of employing their own personal resources for any gain in a way they themselves judge to be beneficial to them, then their education, no matter what form, has served them splendidly. I don't think public education and I doubt whether institutional education does or even can provide this outcome for anywhere near enough people to justify branding it as a system which serves the public good in any supervalued or "official" sense.
          Last edited by Kilroy_x; 04-18-2007, 04:35 PM.

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          • shatteredgravity
            FFR Player
            • Apr 2007
            • 95

            #35
            Re: Home Schooling

            i was homeschooled for two years - 6th and 7th grade, only because i was totally messed up with depression and anxiety and not sleeping at all in a night. not to mention i had no friends. life sucked to put it mildly, so my parents pulled me out. maybe some people think that was a wimpy thing to do that i couldnt pull myself together, but now thinking on it i thank my parents for it. i could have totally had a major breakdown, pushed everything away and fallen out of everything, and my stupid issues could have worsened by much.

            it all depends on what you think. im really okay with homeschooling, and not just because i was. sure kids may not get to see the world as it is, but if they are homeschooled, parents should try to get them into other social things like clubs an; blah blah, etc...

            point is, in mai opinion, its fine

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            • russellskaterguy
              FFR Player
              • Sep 2006
              • 5

              #36
              Re: Home Schooling

              I used to be homeschooled. I wasn't motivated enough though. So i had to go back to public.

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