The Political Game: Abortion/Murder

[makaveli121212]

liberals suck; and by clear democratic candidate i mean one, hence the not-plural, you know only one runs for president...iraq was an excuse for bush to station troops in the middle east...we all, well we all politiaclly intelligent know that...our republican prez's have always wanted to be in there...now if OPEC tries to do something weird or something breaks out in Iran or Saudi Arabia, were right there to take care of it...at least for our best interest, and thats what matters, us

[Anticrombie0909]

Kind of true, about Bush's plan in Iraq. It was kind of a 'shoot first ask questions later' type of deal. He focused on getting Saddam out, and didnt' consider any implications of what to do afterword. Also, with the deficeit at the all time high that it is, I don't know what he's thinking borrowing what was it...$150 billion total from Congress?

[makaveli121212]

no i think 80 billion...its the patriot act who could vote against such a, dare i say, patriotic act...well one guy did...he did go in to get out saddam, but theres in doubt he had other implications as well

[Anticrombie0909]

Yeah, but Bush took out two loans, remember? Oh, it was actually $120 billion I think. $40 billion at the beginning of the war, and another $79 billion recently.

[lightdarkness]

Heres my thoughts
Killing a human being is wrong, just flat out, but before the child is born, i do not feel the child is "alive". It is the mothers decision to decided if they want to keep their child, but i do not feel that if they dont want it, the only alternative is to kill it. There are thousands of couples in the United States who are uncapable of having children, may it be disease or a heriditary thing. They would be very thankfull for a child to call their own. However, it is my understanding that there are certian laws prohibiting abortions after a certain point in the pregnacy. Although i think it is horrible, JUST after a woman because pregnent is the ONLY time they should be able to proform such an act. Afterwards the child develops a brain and i feel you will then be killing it.

About murder
murder is wrong, there should be none of it in society, i do not understand what would drive someone to kill, wheter it be their life aint going to great, or they have problems in their head. But, if they do kill.... they should be locked up for life, only if volentary of corse. If you do unvolentary manslaughter, you need to be punished, however not for life.

These are my views, they are mine, you may have others... but dont criticise me for them. and dont criticise my speeling ether

[makaveli121212]

yes actually lightdarkness, bush passed a partial-birth bill, saying that abortions cant take place like after 7 months after conception or something...but you said murder was wrong and abortions are okay...so how do you feel about the man being charged with two murders

[Anticrombie0909]

If you do unvolentary manslaughter, you need to be punished, however not for life.

And here the debate continues. I want to say, I agree with you totally. However, here's the flip side. Say a woman's driving along when her car blows a flat. She swerves, hits a person, kills them. Its not her fault, but its still manslaughter. If she was a minor she could go to Juvi. No colleges or jobs will accept her. She'll be marked for life, for something that was a complete and total accident. Is that fair?r

[makaveli121212]

life isnt fair, plus i dont know if you could be charged on that

[Anticrombie0909]

You could at least be sued for every penny you own. Read my thread about the Judicial system that I just posted.

[VxDx]

Coat hangers = girl's best friend

[makaveli121212]

you - gayness = my best friend

[kineom34]

If I remember what I read correctly, there is no way out of the parrtial-birth ban. That is, no matter the threat to the mother, an abortion may not be performed. But I could bewrong, that's just what I remember reading.
Myself, I think that abortion is alright to a point, but I don't think that this point can be determined and used as a universal. It's something that may be different for each individual baby. So like, if it's possible at all to monitor the baby's brain's level of function, as well as clearly determine which parts of the brain are used for the more cognitive thinking and those used mainly for survival, then it could be (more) easily determined if the baby was more human-like, or merely an organism. That's not to say, though, that each life(organism, licing thing, etc . . . ) isn't important.
Does anyone know what costs more? The whole delivery process in the hospital or the aboriton procedure?

Oh, and makaveli, liberals do NOT suck

[lightdarkness]

About partial births
i feel that you cannot kill a child after its brain has developed
at that point, i belive the child is considered "alive"

and about involentary manslaughter, It is a shame that after an acident where you kill someone, your life goes to hell... the goverment should make it known it was not their fault and it is not "tottaly" a crime, however, you are going to start running into people who think that they can get a way with nothing by sayign it was an acident, the cycle continues...

[kineom34]

That's what I mean about the whole keeping track of the developement thing. Because brains may not all develope the same way, if there is a part of the brain that isn't as much developed, the fetus may not have consciousness yet.

[lightdarkness]

That's what I mean about the whole keeping track of the developement thing. Because brains may not all develope the same way, if there is a part of the brain that isn't as much developed, the fetus may not have consciousness yet.

now this conversation is starting to lead about the debate with the steam cell research and taking them before they are developed. I am gonna look tonight and see if i can find anything about the subject.

And i must say, i am happy with the way this critical thinking board is going...