Catholics, Condoms and Aids

[sherbtail]

So what do people thing about the catholic churches stance on condom use in relation to the spread of Aids in Africa.
It is widely known that condom use prevents the spread of aids directly however researching the topic just now I've found that many church leaders in Africa reject this, saying that the aids virus is very small and can get through tiny holes in the condom.
The Vatican argues that condom use encourages promiscuity and that if people stuck to the biblical rules on sex then the spread of Aids would be drastically reduced. This is certainly true, however its also true that people do not stick to the biblical rules on sex

Some people within the Catholic church want to change the churches stance on condoms both in Africa and around the world.

So what should they do?
What's right, what's wrong?
your thoughts please

[eVo_CaNtToUcH]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

Ok well as we know alot of teens now adays have sex all the time and none of them probably think of the consequences that may happen by doing that. I am also sure that most of them use condoms because they think *oh well we wont get pregnant if we use these* but the fact is that they arent a miracle and slip ups can happen. Do I think the church should change the rule on condoms no why because if it did that then people would argue the fact of why isnt birth control allowed in the chuch or any other items that could prevent pregnancy. Now yes I know that africa has alot of problems with aids but that should not just change the churches mind after so many years and make it ok for people to use condems. This is just my opinion. Would like to hear others to.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

Grammar, eVo, grammar. It's necessary for posting here, so try it out.

HIV IS small and CAN get through condoms, but that's not to say condoms don't help prevent the spread.

I see no reason why the Church should change its stance on prophylactic use in Africa or anywhere else just because AIDS is widespread, especially in Africa.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[eVo_CaNtToUcH]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

Grammar, eVo, grammar. It's necessary for posting here, so try it out.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

sorry i seem to type to fast for my eyes.

[sherbtail]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

http://www.thebody.com/Forums/AIDS/SafeSex/Current/Q106992.qna

They seem to say otherwise, as do all other sources I have read.

Evo, looks like you found the thread I made You have good points but please, as Guido said, try to fix your grammar, it makes reading your posts really difficult sometimes

[Wlfwnd91]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

It's the church, and as was stated in another thread, it also applies here, that if the church condoned condom use, it would be hypocritical, cause it is encouraging of pre-marital sex. However, there comes the case where, what if the couple IS married, but simply can't support a child at the time, or possibly the wife can't have a baby because it could be harmful to her? Chances are if it's the second option, then she'd have already gotten proper surgery to make sure that she was unable to become pregnant, but wouldn't that be just as bad as condoms, if not worse? There's a lot of iffy situations, where condoms aren't always a bad thing, and I think the church needs to get more specific on it. I do agree that it encourages pre-marital sex though, and that's one backfall from the whole condom thing.

Keep in mind, this is all from a Christian point of view, of which I'm not, so I don't have anything against condoms and such.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

The Church is pretty clear that sex is part of the reproduction process, and that the only acceptable form of "birth control" is planning around the woman's fertility cycle.

Condoms in ANY situation is a direct form of contraception. The solution to all of your above situations: don't have sex if you're not willing to accept the consequences of your actions. That is, there's really no situation where using a condom would be the best option.

@sherb: I don't mean this to be a battle of the sources, but that's what my immunobiology class taught, so you'll forgive me if I don't immediately accept your one source, no?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[sherbtail]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

yeh sorry, I thought that as I posted the link, you can find sources to say whatever you want.


"The solution to all of your above situations: don't have sex if you're not willing to accept the consequences of your actions"

The problem with this is while many in Africa are Catholics and follow the churches rules on condoms, they are not so educated on the spread of Aids

[FluorescentArmy]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

AIDS can get through condoms but the Catholic Church doesn't believe in them as well as masturbation, sodomy, etc. The Catholic Church just finds a way to put everything down.

[sherbtail]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

AIDS can get through condoms but the Catholic Church doesn't believe in them as well as masturbation, sodomy, etc. The Catholic Church just finds a way to put everything down.

Way to bash a religion!
The Catholic Church actually happens not to put down love and generosity and self-sacrifice and seems to value them pretty highly. I don't agree with some of the policies and beliefs with the catholic church but I do recognise that they do a lot of good and that should be respected

and its debatable whether HIV can get through latex condoms or not

[weeeeeee]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

You can get HIV/AIDS from condoms, because even though they help A LOT, it doesn't mean that it's 100% effective.

[jewpinthethird]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

Any organization that opposes birth control should have died along with the horse and buggy. Preaching abstinence does not work.

Condoms do help prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. No it's not 100% effective, but if saves the life of at least one individual, then it's worth backing.

When the Catholic Church was founded, it was a commonly held belief that the Earth was static and all things were unchanging. Well it's not. All things change in time. While, the teachings of Jesus are timeless and universal, the dogma and theology of the Catholic church is outdated. Society today is not what it was back when the Holy Roman Church had it's death grip on Europe during the Dark Ages; a hazy patch that hangs over history as being a time where human progress came to a halt.

I have nothing good to say about the Church. If anyone deserves respect, it's the individual's who preformed the deed.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: Catholics, Condoms and Aids

Any organization that opposes birth control should have died along with the horse and buggy. Preaching abstinence does not work.

Since when should the Catholic teachings reflect what "works" in a popular culture frame of reference? The Church's teachings are based entirely on the words and commandments of God. Just because kids are horny doesn't mean they should forget about what God wants and become a church about trying to curb disease the most.

And you're wrong, anyway. Preaching abstinence DOES work. Sure, not for everybody, but you can't say that nobody's been abstinent until marriage.

Condoms do help prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS. No it's not 100% effective, but if saves the life of at least one individual, then it's worth backing.

The Catholic Church is more interested in saving souls than bodies (okay, that sounds weird/bad, but I just hope you get my point). That is, it's not going to suggest people sin in order to let them live longer. Of course, what it wants is for people to not sin in such a way that NOBODY will get these diseases. That sounds like the best option to me, jewp. You may advocate contraception to save one life, but the Church advocates abstinence to save everyone's.

All things change in time.

Including the Catholic Church. You'd be a fool to think that it hasn't.

While, the teachings of Jesus are timeless and universal, the dogma and theology of the Catholic church is outdated.

Please explain how the theology of the Catholic church is outdated when, it is based entirely on the timeless and universal teachings of Jesus and the commandments of God.

Society today is not what it was back when the Holy Roman Church had it's death grip on Europe during the Dark Ages; a hazy patch that hangs over history as being a time where human progress came to a halt.

Oh, so correlation equals causation, now?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com