"god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

[Tisthammerw]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

Ok now this is more of a theoretical discussion rather than a psyical one.


These are my theorys

People say god exists and we just can't see him but yet they refuse to think that there could be other things besides us in the world. Why?

If you're talking about aliens, my answer would be Ockham's razor. There appears to be little reason to think that aliens exist (though I am willing to adjust my beliefs upon First Contact).

who knows but I do know that if people can belive in "god" then why can't they belive in aliens?

I could, but I would like evidence. There is good evidence for the existence of God, the same cannot be said for aliens.

Now take into an example a passage form the bible I don't remeber exactly what one but didin't the bible say that jesus decended on a chariot of fire?

You might want to check that Bible of yours again, because I don't think it said that. According to the New Testament, Jesus was born of a virgin Jewish girl. That's how the Son of God allegedly came to Earth.

Now what if in reality "gods" are really just highly advanced species of beings.

It wouldn't be the case. (1) We need an entity that transcends space and time to create the universe (creating the universe is a big job) (2) We need something that is the supreme metaphysical authority in the universe for the existence of objective moral values. God would provide that basis, mere aliens would not.

What if in reality that "chariot of fire" was really just a vessle decending into the atmosphere

What if that was all made up?

Now let us go into abit of Greek mythology. Let us start with say...Mount Olympus and Zeus. Now its said that Zeus struck down people with lighting no? ok maybe? but most likely would be some sort of advanced laser weaponry.

Let's not forget the Egyptians. Maybe there were aliens that impersonated gods there--and used things called Stargates. Fortunately, I here the U.S. Air Force obtained one and is using it to help us. It used it to fend of these aliens who impersonated gods. One of the guys in who worked in that department looks a lot like MacGyver...

[Tisthammerw]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

God and aliens are one in the same. In a world where 9/11 was orchestrated by the Jews.

Nope, it's Zionists. That's the new code word to substitute for "Jews" in a futile effort to avoid the shame of anti-Semitism. One of my co-workers actually believes Zionists were behind 9/11. I've also heard about some guy saying the Holocaust was a Zionist conspiracy.

Anti-Semitism didn't die, it just changed colors.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

Dragon if you can't keep your mind open please do not attend my discussions.

You do not get to dictate who posts in your threads. Put up with it.

Once again please keep your mind open. If you can't keep your mind open please get your ass out of the CT forums.

This is just laughable. You do not get to dictate how people keep their minds. There's no reason why only "open" minds should be able to post in a thread; doing so would be closed-minded, now wouldn't it?

If you can't over look someones Spelling errors when it was written at 4 in the morning when that person is sick. you are just an asshole.

How cute, he wants us to pity him. Tough beans. I've been drunk at four in the morning and still typed with perfect orthography. If you can't control what comes off of your fingertips you don't deserve to be in CT. It's in the rules.

Did I make this post to hear people bash the idea? Did I attach the words "true or false give me your ideas" NO I MADE THE POST TO DISCUSS WITH PEOPLE ABOUT THE SUBJECT. and your just sitting here saying its all a bunch of rubbish.

Grow some skin, dude. This is what CT is here for: discussion.

Do me a favor please do not post in here again all you are doing is flaming my theorys you have not discussed a damn thing. Go back to trolling the chit-chat forum where you belong. Every post you make now is just going to get over looked by me as if it was not there.

FFS, man, come back when you're not throwing a temper tantrum.

@Reaper: Cool it. Your on-topic posts were fine, but report the rest, else you come off as an asshole in CT, which I presume is not what you want. Your third post was dangerously close to flaming.

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--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[stretchypanda]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

Now take into an example a passage form the bible I don't remeber exactly what one but didin't the bible say that jesus decended on a chariot of fire?

And it came to pass, when the Lord would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal. And Elijah said unto Elisha, Tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Beth-el. And Elisha said unto him, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee.
So they went down to Beth-el.

And the sons of the prophets that were at Beth-el came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to-day? And he said, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace. And Elijah said unto him, Elisha, tarry here, I pray thee; for the Lord hath sent me to Jericho. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho.

And the sons of the prophets that were at Jericho came to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Lord will take away thy master from thy head to-day? And he answered, Yea, I know it; hold ye your peace. And Elijah said unto him, Tarry, I pray thee, here; for the Lord hath sent me to Jordan. And he said, As the Lord liveth, and as thy soul liveth, I will not leave thee. And they two went on.

And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood to view afar off and they two stood by Jordan.

And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground.

And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me. And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.

And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

^ Only reference to a chariot of fire in the Bible.

Just, for the record, I get really annoyed at people who try to present theories related to the Bible who say, "Well, I don't really know much about the Bible..." You can read the whole goddamn thing in any version on the internet. I found that passage just by googling "Bible chariot of fire". Do a little research.

Also, there is a website (probably several) that shares your ideas. You could check that out and put something behind your statements.

[Pippin667]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

All i can say is that, Jesus wasnt an alien. But also that Jesus isnt god.

But what is god? That all powerful being that dictates our lives? No..
Has god ever told you what to do (other then in texts) no...
Well then... how do you know there is a god?
You dont!! **** whatever Scientology tells you about aliens and god, there isnt any concrete facts to prove either of them.

[TheRapingDragon]

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@Reaper: Cool it. Your on-topic posts were fine, but report the rest, else you come off as an asshole in CT, which I presume is not what you want. Your third post was dangerously close to flaming.

No you are right, that isn't what I want. Apologies, I was merely just laughing at how he was talking like a broken record and wanted to see just how far he would cry and moan. Granted, I wasn't intending to flame, merely, you know, gently poke a reaction.

Anyhoo, I still say that you can't compare the two, apart from the idea that both are fiction.

Aliens are described as beings from another planet, this is plausable, but I still say that anything out there is still a biological being, made from germs, bacteria, same as ourselves. I do believe that they are the lowest living forms, not too sure? So I still believe that aliens can't be the right term because if that is the case I would say we are both the same, and so aliens "don't exist".

God, well, not even getting that, doesn't exist in my opinion, discussing it involves huge religious debates and I don't want to start a religious debate in here.

[Dragula219]

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@Dragon: I think you have the wrong definition of "Alien". The word simply means a being that is foreign.

I agree with reach on this one. I think it is possible that aliens could have been mistaken for gods, but it is extremely unlikely.

I believe that aliens exist though. To say they don't would be, IMO, not only ignorant but flat out moronic.

I could, but I would like evidence. There is good evidence for the existence of God, the same cannot be said for aliens.

Rofl. I'd like to see this "evidence"

[TheRapingDragon]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

@Dragon: I think you have the wrong definition of "Alien". The word simply means a being that is foreign.

Yes, and if I am saying that every being possible is biological and that we are all the same, then how would that make anyone "foreign" exactly?

[Dragula219]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

Foreign |ˈfôrən; ˈfär-| adjective

• of or belonging to another district or area

One of the definitions.

Another one is strange and unfamiliar, so I guess it all depends on how you interpret the word.

[dooty_7]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

foreign in the sense that they originated on a different planet unless I am misinterpreting what you are saying Dragon

[GuidoHunter]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

Come on, Dragula. You know what he meant.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Tisthammerw]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

I could, but I would like evidence. There is good evidence for the existence of God, the same cannot be said for aliens.

Rofl. I'd like to see this "evidence"

That could take up an entire thread in itself, but since you asked...

Although I do not believe there is a strict proof of God's existence, I think we can reason intellectually to say that God probably exists.

First let's take a look at the case of Joe Walker. Joe tries to reach a point infinitely far away. He walks 1 meter, 2 meters, 3... but he can never reach that point. It isn't that the traversal will take a really long time, it's that the infinite traversal is impossible. Traversing an infinite number of years to reach the present is even worse because you can't even get started. It's like trying to jump out of a bottomless pit (as one philosopher put it). Therefore, the past cannot be infinite, because it requires an impossible traversal (we have another thread discussing the infinite past--we can discuss it there if you like).

But if the past is finite, then physical reality (and space-time itself) began to exist. Anything that begins to exist must have a cause, but because time itself began to exist whatever created the universe must transcend space and time. So we know that whatever created the universe must be (1) enormously powerful (creating the universe is a big job) and (2) must transcend space and time. God fits the bill pretty well here. Technically this isn't a proof of God's existence, but it's good practical evidence. After all, how many atheists believe there is a powerful creator of the universe that transcends space and time?

[Maid]

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That could take up an entire thread in itself, but since you asked...

Although I do not believe there is a strict proof of God's existence, I think we can reason intellectually to say that God probably exists.

I stopped reading right there. I mean, you stated, you can provide evidence yet begin with a statement that you cannot. Sorry but evidence is concrete fact, not some veiled animal you can prod whichever way you like.

I'd love to find out with definite proof that common sense varies, maybe there is some sort of genetic predisposition to accept something as common sense, yet it is clearly illogical.

[sherbtail]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

@ the raping dragon, I basically agree with everything you said, and fully support the 'poking in order to induce a reaction...'
I believe in God as I've said elsewhere
Thus I don't believe in aliens, at least not intelligent beings anyway, although it is highly likely bacteria and the likes exist somewhere out there in the great bigness of space.

And if God doesn't exist and I'm just a bit mental for believing in him, then I still feel that there is no chance (*very very very very very very very very very very very very you get the idea small chance*) that aliens could fly down in their flying saucers and (At this point I feel too stupid even talking about this to type any more...)

[Tisthammerw]

Re: "god" & "Aliens" one and the same?

That could take up an entire thread in itself, but since you asked...

Although I do not believe there is a strict proof of God's existence, I think we can reason intellectually to say that God probably exists.

I stopped reading right there. I mean, you stated, you can provide evidence yet begin with a statement that you cannot.

Uh, no I didn't. I said one cannot provide a strict proof but that one can provide evidence. There is a difference. In mathematics for instance one can provide ironclad proofs. In science you cannot. In science the best you can do is provide evidence. This tends to be the case also in philosophy of religion.