125 million year old Flying Squirrel

[gerbi7]

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/sc...rssnyt&emc=rss

Also note- they say that it's more probable to be 164 million years old, making it older than flying birds.

Dr. Meng’s team said tests produced inconsistent dates for the new specimen, ranging from as recent as 125 million years ago to as ancient as 164 million. The older date may be more probable, other scientists said, and would put the aerial life of the mammal even earlier than known bird flight.

Wouldn't that be nice, birds evolved from flying mammals? =\

[Nikkis]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

Or like in Jurassic Park where Dr. Allen Grant said that dinosaurs evolved into birds.

[CPUGenuis]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

[paperflowers11]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

Right, but the majority of the scientific world doesn't believe in "The Great Flood," so....so much for that. Great way for the church to have people put stock in creationism over evolution. But that's an arguement for another day.


Birds did not evolve from mammals. I have a flying squirrel. They are able to "fly" (glide) because of the extra skin. Birds evolved from reptiles. They are very different from mammals, and in fact only have a four-chambered heart due to convergent evolution. No mammals can actually fly, and birds have many special biological speciaties that allow them to fly, such as hollow bones, a specialized digestive system, etc.

By the way, the painting of the mammal they found looks JUST like modern flying squirrels. They're so cute. If that article is accurate, sounds like they haven't changed much. Just like crocodiles (or was it aligators?). The fact that it was found in China is sort of amazing, too, as they are currently native to Canada and the Northern US. Makes perfect sense geographically. (Land bridge and stuff.) Imagine how different birds would look if they actually did evolve from mammals! Hehe. All furry and cute and stuff.

[Afrobean]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

No mammals can actually fly

Bat?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure they decided that some dinosaurs definitely flew and birds came from dinosaurs. So either way, mammals didn't really come first.

ps Don't try to bring religious issues into things like this. Science says that carbon dating is relatively accurate, so your religious views must be checked at the door and not stated as fact without any evidence.

[paperflowers11]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

Bat?

Opps. Heh.

[stlunatic0124]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

get your christian anti-evolution propaganda out of here, moron.

[gerbi7]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

Mr. Religious freak pretty much left after his five-post run.
And afro, the point is that in the article there they give a date for it that's before the existence of the first bird, meaning mammals came first. I don't get what you mean there.

[WillTalbot]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

my parent's sunday school (at my church, all ages have sunday school o.0) thier teacher had a big lesson on this

long story short, that squirrel ain't that old....

if u guys want me to find verses applying to this, pm me, and i will ask the guy

The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs made sense ... didnt know that before.

[waffydude]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

ugh, for the love of crap i hate carbon-14 dating

even though 90% of ppl are gonna flame me for this, the more approximate date of that squirrel is 3000-4000 years

ppl don't believe it, but before teh "great flood of noah" things lived for thousands of years, and due to certain aspects of teh world before it flooded, the decay of carbon 14 to carbon 12 was slower, 1000 fold (if not more)

I'd really like to see some sources along with this claim, because I'm finding it pretty hard to believe that a flood cause the decay of all carbon to change (especially 1000 fold?!). Also, why wouldn't science as a whole take this into account? If you somehow know how it was before the "flood" and they don't, then how the heck DO you know? You DO know how bold of a statement that was, right?

You really need a LOT of defense when you make claims like that, because otherwise it just looks like a very, very convenient excuse for why things are often dated much older than some Christians believe.

[Afrobean]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

And afro, the point is that in the article there they give a date for it that's before the existence of the first bird, meaning mammals came first. I don't get what you mean there.

I meant that dinosaurs came before those mammals and that there were dinosaurs who flew. Sure, these mammals may have come before the flying birds, but flying dinosaurs were around even before that.

The 2nd and 3rd paragraphs made sense ... didnt know that before.

That's because it's anti-science, pro-christianity propaganda. As far as science is concerned, carbon dating is a sufficient means of getting a close year. It's only religious zealots who believe the bible word for word trying to denounce what science says because it doesn't agree with their scripture.

[Reach]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

Carbon dating is really accurate. It's certainly a hell of a lot more accurate than your grammar will ever be. In fact, Carbon dating methods should never be inaccurate.

Just the record, they didn't date this squirrel with carbon. The half-life isn't long enough; none of these old fossils are dated using carbon dating. They use radiometric dating with other elements, and when you compare the age of rocks around the fossil as well as the state of decay, you can get a very good age estimate.

There was also no worldwide flood, at least at the time at when it happened in the bible. Thankfully Egyptian historians started recording back around 3000 BC, so we have nice little pieces of history from people that would have not been around if there was a flood It's a fact that you're just going to have to accept. Anyone that isn't a complete ****head accepts that the earth is over 4 billion years old and the universe some billions of years older than it.

A flood wouldn't change a decay constant, either. It's like claiming that the speed of light has been changing which would change WMAP results. No, no it didn't and it's never going to change. Do a little 'real' research yourself before you start spewing your sunday school putrid crud here for others to read. I attended Sunday school as well, which was a complete and udder joke. It doesn't take half a mind to realize it either.

[WillTalbot]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

There is a shepwreck ontop of a giant hill or mountain and they believe it to be Noah's Ark. I've actually seen pictures of this gigantic ship and theres a good chance it really is Noah's

[Afrobean]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

There is a shepwreck ontop of a giant hill or mountain and they believe it to be Noah's Ark. I've actually seen pictures of this gigantic ship and theres a good chance it really is Noah's

Because ancient wood would be conveniently perfectly preserved, right?

[WillTalbot]

Re: 125 million year old Flying Squirrel

Because ancient wood would be conveniently perfectly preserved, right?

definitly not perfectly preserved it was a ship wreck and it was really high up on a mountain and highly doubt anyone would go up there for anyreason other than to see the ship. I read this somewhere and I actually saw a pik of it, it IS very real.