Christianity and Control

[flamingspinach]

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So do you mean the intent of the individual people? Or of the leaders, as the case may exist? You're not really saying who exactly you're accusing of conspiracy.

[Grandiagod]

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So do you mean the intent of the individual people? Or of the leaders, as the case may exist? You're not really saying who exactly you're accusing of conspiracy.

The leaders control the people, but they play a really small part. Basically, it's the structure of the whole religion that constitutes control, not conspiracy.

[trillobyite]

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Yeah, this is dumb, people are responding with Biblical quotes, like they are the truth. Instead of offering up edvidence they go "Well the Bible says" as if that's unrefutable fact.

Dude, when you are attacking the basic core of a religion, advocates of that religion have the right to use Biblical quotes to provide evidence and back-up for their arguments.

[Grandiagod]

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Dude, when you are attacking the basic core of a religion, advocates of that religion have the right to use Biblical quotes to provide evidence and back-up for their arguments.

What arguements are they backing up? All I see is "BIBLE QUOTE" then they reiterate the quote. Plus responding with Bible quotes misses the whole point.

[trillobyite]

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What arguements are they backing up? All I see is "BIBLE QUOTE" then they reiterate the quote. Plus responding with Bible quotes misses the whole point.

The only biblical quote I see on this thread is one used to counter the concept that Christianity is a cult devoted to forcing humanity into worshiping the same entity. Whether you can counter the quote or not is none of my business, I am not even Christian, but I'm just saying the use of the quote to defend Christianity as not focusing on controlling others is in no way a bad argument.

[Grandiagod]

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Yes, but you forget, for the few techniques that I list that come from the Bible, I am reading between the lines. The straight out message never matters in mind control. Try reading the book "Virus of the Mind" a basic how to guide on cults and mind control.

So what the Bible straight out says is pretty unimportant to my theories.

I adressed this.

[trillobyite]

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I adressed this.

Then you may have a problem with organized religion, not Christianity. I think it would be unfair to label "Christianity" as an embodiment of organized religion and one that cannot be open to personal interpretation of the Bible. In fact, many of the reformation movements after the middle ages were derived from that same concept of personal interpretation. Plus, of all the religious Christians I've ever known, none go to church out of a feelign of responsibility to some code lf laws but because they have an inner devotion. Whatever leaders are "pulling strings," it doesn't seem to reach in and brainwash or collectivize most Christians.

[Grandiagod]

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Then you may have a problem with organized religion, not Christianity. I think it would be unfair to label "Christianity" as an embodiment of organized religion and one that cannot be open to personal interpretation of the Bible. In fact, many of the reformation movements after the middle ages were derived from that same concept of personal interpretation. Plus, of all the religious Christians I've ever known, none go to church out of a feelign of responsibility to some code lf laws but because they have an inner devotion. Whatever leaders are "pulling strings," it doesn't seem to reach in and brainwash or collectivize most Christians.

First, I know more about Christianity than I know about other religions, second, you're response has nothing to do with my essay, I only mentioned Christian leaders once. How about you actually refute some of the things I said?

[trillobyite]

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First, I know more about Christianity than I know about other religions, second, you're response has nothing to do with my essay, I only mentioned Christian leaders once. How about you actually refute some of the things I said?

Because I'm not attempting to seriously debate you or refute your essay. I only thought the biblical quote issue was unfair and it carried on from there. I'll leave the thread, if you desire.

[Grandiagod]

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Because I'm not attempting to seriously debate you or refute your essay. I only thought the biblical quote issue was unfair and it carried on from there. I'll leave the thread, if you desire.

You're welcome to debate, and you did a little bit. But I adressed that, if you want to debate more, feel free. Otherwise...

[flamingspinach]

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Grandiagod, you have to define what exactly Christianity is before you can argue against it. I think it's pretty fair to assume you're talking about the bible, if you don't specify IN PARTICULAR otherwise.

[Grandiagod]

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Grandiagod, you have to define what exactly Christianity is before you can argue against it. I think it's pretty fair to assume you're talking about the bible, if you don't specify IN PARTICULAR otherwise.

Yes, some of the Bible, but also the whole religion in general. If you read the essay, I always point out what I am refering to. I don't just say "Christianity uses fear" and not give an example or reason.

[flamingspinach]

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Yes, but what you don't seem to see is that you're not making a connection between your examples and Christianity as a whole - i.e. people can easily call themselves Christian without those examples necessarily applying to them. If that was your intent then I don't really see where you're going with this essay.

[Grandiagod]

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Yes, but what you don't seem to see is that you're not making a connection between your examples and Christianity as a whole - i.e. people can easily call themselves Christian without those examples necessarily applying to them. If that was your intent then I don't really see where you're going with this essay.

Yes, there are exceptions. Buuuuut, I wasn't really adressing Christians as much as I was adressing the basic structure of the religion itself. If you expect me to list every thing for every denomination, you expect too much. But srsly, is anyone going to acually try to debate it besides NS?

[Reach]

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It's hard to talk about such a thing, because of how sensitive it is, which is kind of ironic. I didn't actually read all of the first post, but I feel like discussing openly.

Christianity has been controlling man for centuries. As a matter of fact, christianity used to be the law, more or less. It was absolutely impossible to claim something as insane as the earth revolving around the sun without losing your life. And as it hasn't changed much, naturally many of the same techniques are still used, and they're still controlling. Look at the power of organised religion over the people and you will see it.

But guess what, things like that are just outdated now, just as christianity is becoming outdated. I dare to say its image of God is far too primitive. It just doesn't fit the picture anymore, people are starting to notice, and of course they don't like that. There's nothing wrong with a good message, but there's more to religion than just love and happiness.

And uh, just because I feel like saying it, I absolutely cannot stand people that go around preeching the word/ come to your door and try and recruit me. Piss off. Seriously. These people annoy everyone XD!

edit: ok, I finished reading your post. A lot of it is simply logical truth I agree with XD