The power of HHO?

[Afrobean]

Re: The power of HHO?

Yeah... how can 2 H and 1 O come together in any way other than the normal H2O molecule? I thought there was something to do with hydrogen bonds or something that made sure they bonded in only one way.

[gerbi7]

Re: The power of HHO?

Hydrogen bonds have nothing to do with a single water molecule, but with more than one, like surface tension.

And other things... like DNA nucleotides, peptide chains folding...


Quit looking at me. I take chemistry next year. >_>

[Afrobean]

Re: The power of HHO?

No... that's not really what I meant.

H2O looks like this, right?



Would this molecule look like this then?


What I meant was that I thought that 2H and 1O could only combine in the way H2O does (top picture) and not in the way that the second picture shows.

[gerbi7]

Re: The power of HHO?

Yeah. 2nd, that outlying hydrogen, I don't think that would work too good. =S

Read ^ post >_>

[talisman]

Re: The power of HHO?

sheesh, if you people would actually read the pdf I posted things would be so much more clear. The hydrogen orbitals, instead of being spherical, are toroidal and bond magnetically. It only makes sense if you look at it.

Also, I saw a graph in a national geographic article with all the different kinds of energy (coal, nuclear, solar, wind, etc) plotting cost per kilowatt hour, and coal was still the most efficient. Solar was actually the least efficient, if I remember correctly. I'll try to find the article for you, but I don't know if it's online.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: The power of HHO?

Wow. I heard about this weeks ago, but since I didn't have sound at the time I couldn't watch the video. I had heard other people claiming it was merely the burning of hydrogen produced by electrolysis, so I dismissed it as being unscientific reporting.

However, I read that paper. I still think it's too good to be true, but time will tell, as it's already in peer-reviewed journals. The scientific process threw out cold fusion, so we'll just wait here, but from what the paper says, other people have confirmed its anomolous nature and shown that it can't be water and it can't just be Hydrogen and Oxygen. Skepticism is what we need right now, anyway.

So, talisman, that idea does seem plausible, but it's my no means confirmed; the paper even states that that's just a hypothesis designed to just be an alternative, since nobody actually knows what's going on with it, molecularly.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

Re: The power of HHO?

Of course, their proposed magnecular thing is just a proposal right now. But the data is very strong... there's something besides just hydrogen and oxygen gas and what you would expect in this mixture.

The fact that he's providing samples of his gas to anyone who wants it is promising as well.

Also, I would like to see someone demonstrate that pure Brown's gas wouldn't do the same thing as this gas does, just to lay that theory to rest.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: The power of HHO?

Well, you're mixing two ideas about it. There IS something besides just plain water, Hydrogen, and Oxygen in it, that is certain, but that doesn't at all prove the "magnecule" idea.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[T0rajir0u]

Re: The power of HHO?

I can understand that they wouldn't include a full explanation on the website for copyright reasons, but it's a habit of mine to remain skeptical until I see some hard scientific evidence.

Afrobean: I don't think the name HHO refers to a structural difference. It refers to the composition of the gas.

[talisman]

Re: The power of HHO?

right guido, that's actually what I meant although I phrased it poorly. Something is going on in the mixture that's funny, and this is one explanation for it.

and dude above me, HHO does refer to a structural difference. Read the pdf I posted.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: The power of HHO?

Well, it might also refer to a composition difference.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[T0rajir0u]

Re: The power of HHO?

o snap pdf

This sounds exciting. Screw the fuel applications, if he's right he's basically discovered a new branch of chemistry.

[SethSquall]

Re: The power of HHO?

They will charge you tax for just about everything to do with the car. Road tax, Milage tax etc.

[JKPolk]

Re: The power of HHO?

Poop tax

[SethSquall]

Re: The power of HHO?

was thinking more to do with owning a car and driving in general. But if thats what you had in mind when were talking about a revolutionary form of fuel. Then. Well. I'll end here.