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  • deltro300111
    FFR Player
    • Aug 2003
    • 1014

    #1

    Anyone know why this works?

    pi = ln(-e)-1/sqrt(-1)

    The original equation is

    ln(-e) = 1 + (pi)i

    I just isolated pi.
  • Tasselfoot
    Retired BOSS
    FFR Simfile Author
    • Jul 2003
    • 25185

    #2
    Re: Anyone know why this works?

    Yes. I know why.
    RIP

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    • aperson
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      • Jul 2003
      • 3431

      #3
      Re: Anyone know why this works?

      You're just rearranging Euler's identity with some added terms:


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      • talisman
        Resident Penguin
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        • May 2003
        • 4598

        #4
        Re: Anyone know why this works?

        I just typed the same thing as ap but vb swallowed it...

        and that identity comes from some Calc II nonsense I believe, with series and whatnot.

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        • XXXsmittyXXX
          Anxiety monster
          • Jul 2005
          • 6924

          #5
          Re: Anyone know why this works?

          damn smart ****s

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          • aperson
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            • Jul 2003
            • 3431

            #6
            Re: Anyone know why this works?

            Originally posted by talisman
            I just typed the same thing as ap but vb swallowed it...

            and that identity comes from some Calc II nonsense I believe, with series and whatnot.


            It's generally known as Euler's formula. I think you can prove it with Calc II series, but the first application I've seen of it was solving 2nd order linear ODEs that have complex conjugates as answers.

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            • Kefit
              FFR Player
              • Apr 2003
              • 1517

              #7
              Re: Anyone know why this works?

              Oh hey this topic came up almost a year ago.

              Originally posted by Kefit, a year or so ago
              This equation is incredibly important to physics and differential equations. Lemme see if I can remember the proof:

              First off, this proof uses infinite series. Put basically, any differentiable function can be represented by the sum of an infinite series. No, I don't expect you to know what that means. Just accept that:

              cos(x) = 1 - (x^2)/(2!) + (x^4)/(4!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

              sin(x) = x - (x^3)/(3!) + (x^5)/(5!) - (x^7)/(7!) + . . .

              e^x = 1 + x + (x^2)/(2!) + (x^3)/(3!) + . . .

              It follows that:

              e^(i*x) = 1 + (i*x) - (x^2)/(2!) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (x^4)/(4!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

              i*sin(x) = (i*x) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (i*x^7)/(7!) + . . .

              Now something interesting happens when you add cos(x) and i*sin(x) together. Lemme see if I can illustrate this clearly:

              .....cos(x) = 1..........- (x^2)/(2!) ......................+ (x^4)/(4!) .................- (x^6)/(6!) + . . .
              + i*sin(x) = ..(i*x)..................... - (i*x^3)/(3!) .................+ (i*x^5)/(5!) - . . .
              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              ....e^(i*x) = 1 + (i*x) - (x^2)/(2!) - (i*x^3)/(3!) + (x^4)/(4!) + (i*x^5)/(5!) - (x^6)/(6!) + . . .

              Don't be discouraged if the idea of infinite series is unfamiliar to you - just take the series I gave for sin(x), cos(x), and e^x for granted, and everything else I show above follows from simple arithmetic on the series.

              Anyway, this creates the general equation:

              e^(i*x) = cos(x) + i*sin(x)

              if x = PI, then:

              e^(i*PI) = cos(PI) + i*sin(PI) = -1 + i*0 = -1
              Shame on you ap for not being familiar with this.


              Originally posted by seinno
              and also thank you everone for clearing it up for me I will try to start using my two hands iv tried quit a bit i put my left hand index and middle finger middle finger is on the up arrow index on on left arrow and right hand i use my index for the down button and middle for the right button does that seem weird?

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              • Kilgamayan
                Super Scooter Happy
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Feb 2003
                • 6583

                #8
                Re: Anyone know why this works?

                Shame on me for not being familiar with that too.
                I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                • deltro300111
                  FFR Player
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 1014

                  #9
                  Re: Anyone know why this works?

                  this all came out when I was taking an Algebra II test, and trying to find one of the ever prevalent patterns. I plugged in ln(-e), and realized that the calculator spat out pi(i)+1, and I was like, "what the hell", and I tried to isolate e, but lacked the mad skills to do so. I know from where e is derived but never knew why.

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                  • GuidoHunter
                    is against custom titles
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 7371

                    #10
                    Re: Anyone know why this works?

                    They didn't teach you what the log function looked like in Algebra II? What the hell were you trying to do taking the natural log of a negative number?

                    --Guido


                    Originally posted by Grandiagod
                    Originally posted by Grandiagod
                    She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                    Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                    • aperson
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 3431

                      #11
                      Re: Anyone know why this works?

                      Originally posted by GuidoHunter
                      They didn't teach you what the log function looked like in Algebra II? What the hell were you trying to do taking the natural log of a negative number?

                      --Guido

                      http://andy.mikee385.com
                      I take it you've never heard of the complex coordinate plane have you.

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                      • GuidoHunter
                        is against custom titles
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 7371

                        #12
                        Re: Anyone know why this works?

                        Funny, as I'm taking Functions of Complex Variables right now. Very cute.

                        Note how he's in algebra II. Also note that I said natural log. I am well aware that there are an infinite number of solutions to log(-x) for any x, and how log and Log mean very different things.

                        --Guido


                        Originally posted by Grandiagod
                        Originally posted by Grandiagod
                        She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                        Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                        • aperson
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                          • Jul 2003
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                          #13
                          Re: Anyone know why this works?

                          I definitely did complex logarithms in my algebra II class.

                          Although I didn't see them again until differential equations

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                          • stealthkidd
                            Above and Beyond
                            • Nov 2005
                            • 368

                            #14
                            Re: Anyone know why this works?

                            HOLY CRAP!!! aperson u should get a new section for aperson's insanly hard questions becasue everyone under 18 or so has no ****ing clue wtf ur saying but ppl like it. this is because urs are mostly harder

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                            • aperson
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                              • Jul 2003
                              • 3431

                              #15
                              Re: Anyone know why this works?

                              Originally posted by stealthkidd
                              HOLY CRAP!!! aperson u should get a new section for aperson's insanly hard questions becasue everyone under 18 or so has no ****ing clue wtf ur saying but ppl like it. this is because urs are mostly harder
                              I'm 17.

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