Sad but true

[Chromer]

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Or In your case just retarded period. I don't care if you could give a donkey's ass about Christianity. I know where I am with God and I am in peace with him. However, for you to openly disrespect the deity that I worship, makes me not only lose respect for you, but hope that you don't live like this for the rest of your life. To burn in Hell for all of Eternity? Better get your oven mitts buddy.

[YungYung]

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I can almost guarantee that not only will this thread be locked, but Izzy is going to get a forum ban =\

[chickendude]

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I am not even Christian (or anything remotely related to christian) (Hindu) and I am offended by Izzy's posts here

I don't just view religion as like a cult gathering where everyone goes and worships this 'god' figure (which is what you seem to be implying)

its more like a way of life.. I guess hinduism is like that
Its a system of Morals, beliefs, hope etc.

Now Hinduism does have its random mythological crap that is made up, but it isn't preached to the extent that it is in Christianity. I do pretty much agree that most of the stories in most religious texts are made up mainly, but that isn't what is important from religion.

I'm fully educated on all the scientific principles that contrast religion, but It doesn't conflict in my mind.

On topic here
I also think that homosexuality should be tolerated and stuff, but unlike you guys, I'm not blind to the other side of the argument.
The problem people see, is not just religious. It is natural for a man and a women to be attracted to each other (otherwise the race would die out). Homosexuality IS abnormal if you look at it from this point of view. There's no way around that. If gay/lesbian couples adopt a baby for example, how they grow up would be vastly different, because they don't have a mother AND a father. People can argue that this difference is bad for a childs growth (lack of a motherly/fatherly figure) to be a role model in whatever aspect. Like I said, I still think that it should be ok, but I see where the debate arises from.

P.S.
Quoting the bible is pointless, because it was written by a bunch of random people and then edited by constantine in 300ADish to remove any human qualities. It is a highly biased piece of work, and quoting it is pointless. But, just because the bible has many many many issues, doesn't mean you have to bash religion in general. I guess the way I treat religion would be more accurately defined as a philosophy.


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oh man you guys posted your asses off while I was typing this
anyway, Izzy, you aren't holding a debate discussion or argument.
What you are doing is more accurately defined as flaming, insulting and overall disrespect.

Your kind of argument generally arises in a street between people who's IQ is less than their shoe size

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I can almost guarantee that not only will this thread be locked, but Izzy is going to get a forum ban




Yeah this discussion has kind of moved off the original topic.

[-Izzy-]

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I am not even Christian (or anything remotely related to christian) (Hindu) and I am offended by Izzy's posts here

I don't just view religion as like a cult gathering where everyone goes and worships this 'god' figure (which is what you seem to be implying)

its more like a way of life.. I guess hinduism is like that
Its a system of Morals, beliefs, hope etc.

Now Hinduism does have its random mythological crap that is made up, but it isn't preached to the extent that it is in Christianity. I do pretty much agree that most of the stories in most religious texts are made up mainly, but that isn't what is important from religion.

I'm fully educated on all the scientific principles that contrast religion, but It doesn't conflict in my mind.

On topic here
I also think that homosexuality should be tolerated and stuff, but unlike you guys, I'm not blind to the other side of the argument.
The problem people see, is not just religious. It is natural for a man and a women to be attracted to each other (otherwise the race would die out). Homosexuality IS abnormal if you look at it from this point of view. There's no way around that. If gay/lesbian couples adopt a baby for example, how they grow up would be vastly different, because they don't have a mother AND a father. People can argue that this difference is bad for a childs growth (lack of a motherly/fatherly figure) to be a role model in whatever aspect. Like I said, I still think that it should be ok, but I see where the debate arises from.

P.S.
Quoting the bible is pointless, because it was written by a bunch of random people and then edited by constantine in 300ADish to remove any human qualities. It is a highly biased piece of work, and quoting it is pointless. But, just because the bible has many many many issues, doesn't mean you have to bash religion in general. I guess the way I treat religion would be more accurately defined as a philosophy.


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oh man you guys posted your asses off while I was typing this
anyway, Izzy, you aren't holding a debate discussion or argument.
What you are doing is more accurately defined as flaming, insulting and overall disrespect.

Your kind of argument generally arises in a street between people who's IQ is less than their shoe size

Look out man, now they are going to go ape shit on you to.
And im pretty sure being gay isnt an influence. Its a thing your born into.
Kind of like a flaw. Like growing an extra arm. Its not supose to be that way but dissability's happen. Most people dont really care though cuz its really not that bad of one.

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Quoting the bible is pointless, because it was written by a bunch of random people and then edited by constantine in 300ADish to remove any human qualities. It is a highly biased piece of work, and quoting it is pointless. But, just because the bible has many many many issues, doesn't mean you have to bash religion in general. I guess the way I treat religion would be more accurately defined as a philosophy.



Constantine did mess with the Scriptures such as replacing Pole with cross, Yahweh with god or lord, portraying pagan holidays such as easter and christmas as christian holidays.But the message of the Bible is still very accurate.

[-Izzy-]

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Wtf, show me where it mentions christmas in the bible.
Thats a load of shit right there.

[psychic25]

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Nobody's helping the situation any. Izzy, if you want to "discuss" things, don't use words like "retarded" and "stupid Christians" and "load of shit". And those of you who are swearing at him aren't helping, either. (Dang, Chickendude beat me to it.)

If you want to discuss religion and atheism, Izzy, go make another topic in CT and stop using these words. I myself would gladly post in it, assuming it stays high-brow.

BACK ON TOPIC

If we assume that homosexuality is something one is born with and not a choice one makes, then some people really can't help being homosexual. Exactly the same way people can't help being black, or asian, or whatever. Is it fair to discriminate against them? No- people need to be treated based on the choices that they themselves make. Since it's not a choice to be homosexual, they shouldn't be treated any differently than if they were straight. Easy as that.

[-Izzy-]

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And apparantly to this guy god makes all people. So why did god make them homosexual while contradicting himself in the bible? hmm? i dont know. Intersting yet not really.

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Wtf, show me where it mentions christmas in the bible.
Thats a load of (#$% right there.




I was saying among the things constantine did with the Scriptures He also portrayed pagan holidays as christian.

[YungYung]

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No, we arer not going to go apeshit on chickendude because he made a valid point. I agree with him completely. If growing up with a single parent can cause problems for a child, why wouldn't having two mothers or two fathers do the same? It's possible

And im pretty sure being gay isnt an influence. Its a thing your born into.
Kind of like a flaw.

And this 'pretty sure' is most likely based on your own opinion. When you make an assumption as such, you risk being brutally wrong. There are people who have had members of their families suffer from depression. Depression is caused by an inbalance in hormonens and other chemicals in the brain. Such things can be hereditary. Homosexuality is also greatly affected by hormones and the way the brain works. Noone can argue that homosexuality CAN be in some cases, hereditary (am I even spelling the word properly?).

But as you all know, being depressed does NOT necessarily mean it's your great great grandfather's fault. You can develope it on your own, and homosexuality is NO DIFFERENT. There are many reasons, I dare you to present points that can prove me wrong.

EDIT: please disregard any spelling/grammar errors, I typed in this in a hurry.

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And apparantly to this guy god makes all people. So why did god make them homosexual while contradicting himself in the bible? hmm? i dont know. Intersting yet not really.



Where does it say in the Bible Yahweh makes people homosexual?

[-Izzy-]

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I found this.

http://www.narth.com/docs/dejavu.html

And to the post above this:

Wtf are you talking about

[The_Q]

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Ok, I only read the first two pages but I want to point this out.

Izzy, your attitude towards those who are religious is the same attitude that the people who are attempting Anti-Gay Legislation have toward homosexuals.

Thank you for your time.

Q

[Chromer]

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This might be biased but if God wanted Men to sleep with other men it would have been Adam and Steve.