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[Laharl]

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My religion believes all sins can be forgiven except murder. (Killing in defense or because you're in the military and have to are not murder.)

Well if that's true then Paul(author of romans,timothy, ETC)wasn't exepted into heaven because when he was Saul he killed many christians.

I should rephrase... Those who murder without knowledge of the evil they are doing can repent of their wrongways. Someone like, say, me, who knows it's wrong and wouldn't ever be doing it out of some sort of duty, would pretty much go straight to hell if I killed someone.

[jewpinthethird]

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I am agnostic. I use to be one of those guys who absolutely hated religion (especially Christianity). I used to think all the world's problems were a result of religion. Saying "Christians are hypocrites and close minded!" Well, I was no better.

Who am I to judge people for their beliefs? If that's how they choose to live, then who am I to interfer. As long as it doesn't interfer with my life. Which is why I am not opposed to gay-rights.

[Reach]

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Yung pretty much blew Izzy's spot up and Layla just reinforced it. What Izzy fails to realize is there has to be something after we die. Based on what Izzy is saying, after we die, nothing happens. There is no Heaven nor Hell. If that is true then what is left? Only darkness? You contradict yourself buddy. As with the Bible, I believe everything that happened in the Bible is true. Of course while you people say the Bible contradicts itself, I laugh. If you guys interpret the Bible, Jesus' death cancelled out all the old ways of thinking established in the Old Testament. However, there is one sin God can never forgive anyone for, and that's open blasphemy of his existance. God I hope you get your life together Izzy.

You would take the genesis seriously? It's a story. And knowing it is so simply strips the rest of it of any validity in my eyes. Sure, there are good morals and a lot of good things in the bible, but it's man's creation that bothers me. The earth isn't 6000-10000 years old according to creationism. The c decay theory is a fallacy. Noah's arc didn't happen. Ancient egyptians historical scrolls date back to before the flood, it didn't happen. It is a brilliant...and the most successful cultural creation of mankind.

And why would there have to be something after we die? That's fairly naive. Your brain cells die. You cease to function. You can no longer perceive reality, so no, there is no darkness. Believing otherwise relies on super natural powers, and the fact that we as beings are special. Assuming there is an intelligent god, I see no reason for it to be anything like us, or to assume we are special. It would have to be beyond our comprehension. That and the fact that it would be impossible for us to be alone in the universe doesn't make us all that special. I hope heaven is a pretty big place.

I have nothing against religion or people that are religious. It can be a good thing, but it wasn't my thing. I just don't like this mindless recruiting thing that is often going on. My brother and sister and being forced to go to church, and they dislike it and do not understand it. They don't understand the concept of god, they have other questions and things to discover in the world right now. I don't believe in forcing someone into an unquestionable religion. They ask how god came to be and they are told he just was, there is no explaination, they are just expected to hold 'faith' and go to church. This was more or less what happened to me, and I rebelled. I was a non believer for a very long time, but the cult like ways of some of these confession classes were ridiculous. I walked out, and never looked back. I no longer require religion, and don't believe in it, but I will not judge those who take it as an important part of their life.

The only thing I dislike are the mindlessly obsessed. Religion is about expanding yourself and bettering yourself as a person, NOT closing yourself off to the world. (and that is not directed at chromer or anyone specifically, I just see it a lot, and felt like replying to chromer's personal thoughts with some of my own.)

[banditcom]

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Perfect post Andrew. Seriously. Exactly how I feel.

[Chromer]

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17090

Seeing how the people who actually went to the place are fairly intelligent men, I'd be hard pressed to see this as fallacy. I'm not a obsessive Christian like most of you are trying to categorize. So I beleive what happened in the Bible. So what? That's my belief and I'll be damned if anyone else tells me otherwise. That doesn't mean I'm going to try to convert people now. If you don't believe in God, more power to ya.

[banditcom]

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I'm atheist; I used to be agnostic.

I laughed at some of Izzy's posts, but still, he disrespected other's beliefs. But then again, some of you do it as well.

Saying you're going to hell if you don't believe a certain way or if you do a certain thing or have a certain way of life is completely disrespecting others who do not believe in what you believe. It's as bad as Izzy saying you're all morons for believing in God.

Also, I greatly dislike these things:
People who ignore facts (like taking the Bible literally).
People who try to counter facts or theories with nonsense to try to prove these facts or theories wrong (like books trying to counter everything concerning evolution, creation of the universe, age of the universe). And by nonsense I literally mean nonsense. Like someone who tries to bs in class as if they read the history material they were going to read, so they just randomly make up stuff that seems convincing.


EDIT: I hate when people use science to help prove religion, and completely ignore everything that proves many things in the Bible never actually happened. It's completely hypocritical as they focus on one event that science hasn't proven wrong, and ignore everything that it has... I hate it. This article is one example of crap I hate. DON'T USE SCIENCE TO TRY TO PROVE SOMETHING IN THE BIBLE HAPPENED IF YOU'RE GOING TO CHOOSE TO IGNORE THE MANY THINGS SCIENCE HAS DISPROVEN.

[Mindfields]

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Well, technically, from what I've learned, Christianity a religion that believes in the idea of missionaries and "spreading the word". At my church at least, we're supposed to go and "spread the word about God". Isn't this a sort of recruiting? And isn't it required (more or less) by the religion?

I go to a Unitarian church and have never been asked to do jack shit for God except give him respect. No spreading or recruiting. What type of congregation do you attend to now?

And also, you guys are completely excluding the fact that the Bible is extremely symbolic. Where a flood was, something of much smaller size probably happened. A burning bush was probably some forest fire in which people figured faith out for themselves. Now that I think of it, everything in the Bible that happened was probably alot smaller; Constantine just blew it up to bigger proportions to make the Bible much more interesting. It IS a big ass book, you know...

[Chromer]

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Meh lock this thread. It got completely off-topic and now it's a giant religious debate.

[Laharl]

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Meh lock this thread. It got completely off-topic and now it's a giant religious debate.

/signed

[Specforces]

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ROFL

locked.