Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

[cmb]

This is about President Bush telling the American people that Allah and Yahweh are the same god;this was one of the most irritating examples of political correctness i've ever seen.Im not sure what Bushes stance on islam is,he might just be ignorent about what Islam and Allah really are.So im curious to know weither or not most people agree with President Bush on this.

[Moogy]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

yes/no/maybe

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Allah = Islam
Yud Vuv Yud Lamad = Jewish (I believe my hebrew characters are correct for the spelling of the word you are using. Jewish doctrine explains that those 4 characters form an unpronouncable word... and therefore, your transliteration is not correct. In its place are other words such as Adonai)

I see no reason why these deities would be the same... the Roman gods were different from Norse and different from Egyptian. Why should mordern monotheistic religions follow different beliefs? Besides, if everyone thought that it was all one god, why would all these religious debates and sluaghterings evolve out the of "my god is better than your god" line?

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Technically, the Muslims and the Jews worship the same one God. They just have different names for them. That unpronounceable word that Tass mentioned, if spoken phonetically, is "Yehovah" or in Romanized terms, "Jehovah." Also, the God that the Christians worship is also the same one. So technically Bush is right (I HATE when that happens...oh well, even he gets at least one shot in his life).

So, sorry to tell you Love, but you're wrong. They are all the same God--the followers of each religion are simply arguing over which way is the best way to worship/serve/etc. even if they don't see it that way. They may be saying "my God is better than your God" but they don't really understand what they're talking about.

Adonai means "my Lord" and is used in the Torah and in prayers to refer to God. It is actually a pluralistic form in Hebrew (it literally means "my Lords") but when it refers to the deity, it is considered the singular, because Judaism only recognizes the one God.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

On an unrelated note... often people refer to me in plural. Perhaps I am a deity as well.


PS - back on topic, I still feel that I'm right... in that if religions are going to fight over whose god is better, they must be worshiping different gods. Logical train, right? And... if you think I'm wrong, we're going to have to fight about it.

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Although Tass and I are having this lovely fight over AIM, I thought people of religious (or non-religious but curious) bent would like to know this information.

Muslims believe in the same God that the Jews believe in, and that the Christians believe is the father of Jesus. Muslims also believe in the 3 forefathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) but (if I recall correctly) are descended from Abraham's older son, Ishmael the son of Hagar, as opposed to Isaac. Mohammad was the prophet, who heard the message of God (Allah in Arabic) through the archangel Gabriel.

In any case, I am not trying to say that your philosophy (Tass's or anyone else's) is wrong, or that mine is right. I am just saying what I have learned in my religion classes, and what the books that these religions are based on say.

Funny note: One of the things Muslims are supposed to do is spread word of their religion and try to convert people--but they don't have to try and convert Jews or Christians (or Zoroastrians, for some reason) because they already worship the correct god, even if they don't do it the Muslim way.

P.S. SUCK IT TREBEK.

[cmb]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

John 3:16''for God so loved the world that he gave his only son,that who ever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.''ok so thats how you get to heaven according to Jesus.now lets see what muhammed says,Qur'an 9:111''Allah hath purshased of the believers their and their goods;for theirs in return is the garden of paradise:they fight in his cause,and slain:a promise binding them in truth.''Do ya'll notice some thing,suposedly the same god here is contradicting him self.

Matthew 5:21-22''You have heard that it was said to the men of old,'you shall not kill;and whoever kills shall be liable to judgement.but i say to you that everyone who is angery with his brother shall liable to judgement;whoever insults his brother shall be liable to council,and whoever says,'you fool!'shall be liable to the hell fire.''Now the Qurans view on it Quran 47:4''therefore,when ye meet the unbelievers in fight smite at their necks;at length,when ye have thoroughly subdued them,bind a bond firmly on them :thereafter is the time for either generosity or ransom,until the war lays down its burdens....but those who are slain in the way of Allah,he will never let their deeds lost.''Again another contradiction by the supposedly same god,interesting huh,and theres many more.

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Because we know Christianity has never had any contradictions within its own sects.

[cmb]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Well if you could give me some example that would be great.

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Having not read the detailed beliefs of each and every single Christian sect out there (and having NO CLUE how many there actually are) I can't give you specific examples. But a Southern Baptist would be outraged if his daughter wanted to marry a Presbyterian, no? And the Mormons believe in Jesus (a Jesus who can teleport, apparently) but not in the same terms as Christian Fundamentalists.

And if Q won't post it here himself...
xanderman2064 (5:10:54 PM): I love how this guy implies the Bible never contradicts itself.
xanderman2064 (5:10:59 PM): Just read Genesis.

ETA:
xanderman2064 (5:24:27 PM): There are over 2000 registered Christian denominations in the U.S. alone.

[The_Q]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Cmb, just look at Genesis. The whole creation bit. There are two different ways it happened, according to the actual text. Therefore, the Bible starts off contraticting itself.

My favorite example of the Bible being contradictory are the books of Ecclesiastes and Proverbs. Ecclesiastes tells you that everything but fear of God and worship of him is pointless, you don't have to worry too much about the rest of it. Proverbs, which follows Ecclesiastes directly, goes on to tell you good ways to live your life. Feel the irony soak into you for a minute. Allow me to also point out that God goes from "smite smite smite!" to "love love love!" If you ask me, the Bible is full of blatant sweeping contradictions. So is the Qu'ran and I'm sure the Jewish texts are the same.

One fact that this encompasses is followed better by Muslims than Christians. People wrote the Bible, not God! As we all know, people can be wrong (crusades, genocides, shoving the dualistic nature of deities into each other's faces) and Muslims actually know this. In fact, Muhammad wrote another book of his teachings and mentions in it that what he wrote was what he got out of God talking to him. He didn't know how to word it exactly and didn't agree with all of it himself and he also knew that he was at fault when he put certain things into words. Why Christians have a hard time accepting this, I don't know.

And don't make me pull out some serious dualism, bubs. I've got this stuff backed up and ready to use.

Q

[cmb]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

If you want go to ''prophetofdoom.net''if you would like to see the truth between islam and christianity. The guy who put up this website,well first off is name is criag winn and second hes spent two years or over ten thousand hours researching islam.

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Oh wow. Two years and over ten thousand hours of research. Excuse my sarcasm, but I'd prefer to take the opinions of actual Muslims and people who spend more than two years researching a religion that is just slightly more complex than that. I don't think you can learn very much in two years when a religion has behind it over 2000 years of history.

And what do you mean the "truth" between Islam and Christianity? They are two different religions, based on the same God. What truth is there?

And the you mentioned is completely biased against Muslims. They are NOT all terrorists. The terrorists we see on TV are, just like the Christian Fundamentalists, extreme fanatics that should NOT be taken as the norm for the Islamic people. You are completely ignoring this fact.

Again, I'm not saying that what you believe is wrong. But your quoted facts are.

Also...why should the fact that his name is "Criag Winn" be of any importance?

Edited so as not to double post: I just re-read your original post in light of your later replies...

Im not sure what Bushes stance on islam is,he might just be ignorent about what Islam and Allah really are.So im curious to know weither or not most people agree with President Bush on this.

Who are you to judge? You seem just as ignorant about Islam as you believe Bush to be.

[Chromer]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Q, what you just said is like comparing the old testament when we would sacrifice goats for God and then the new testament where we don't anymore. It was because of Jesus' death that everything changed from the way of the old to the new. The reason you think its being contradictory is because you're supposed to do, uhhh I dunno, maybe BOTH? Fear and love God? Does that sound like a hard concept? I love my parents because they bore me and fear them because they can kick my ass out of the house. Doesn't sound all that complicated to me buddy.

[whorlichan]

RE: Are Allah and Yahweh the same God?

Actually, Chromer, the reason we stopped sacrificing anything is because Beit HaMikdash (the Holy Temple) in Jerusalem was destroyed for the 3rd (?) time. You can't do the sacrifices correctly outside of it. That was way before Jesus and the New Testament.

And I think Q is referring to contradictions within Genesis itself, not just between the Old Testament and the New.