December 21, 2012

[-Skooter-]

I'm not on my period, I usually start around the 7th, and I don't get on the computer during that time, so you're safe.

As for you pointing fingers and calling blame, you are not one to be calling anyone "little girl".

I read perfectly fine, if you can't already tell, many of my posts are some of the most gramatically correct posts that you are going to find on this site, so shut the fuck up.

I don't get mad at Jewpin, because Jewpin's cool.

Secondly, don't think I didn't notice your dumbass remark, which clearly implied that all Mormons are hypocrite's etc. Your friend is an idiot, and you're an idiot for having him as a friend. He does not in any way represent the group as a whole, and for you to judge is sheer ignorance on your behalf.

[MalReynolds]

You're using a blanket statement! The only reason I was asking about the ORIGIN OF POLYGAMY is because MY FRIEND LIES A LOT, NOT BECAUSE HE IS A LYING MORMON! Oh, get your head out of your ass! Not everything is an attack on you beliefs.

Mal

[Tasselfoot]

Utah is over 62% Mormon, currently... although dropping every year. So, tell me again... why is my crack against Utah incorrect? The state is a majority of Mormon, when I'd wager not one other state in the Union can top 5%, if 1%.

Not to mention it is Brigham YOUNG Univeristy, aka... BYU. Not BU, which would normally be Boston University, although I'm sure many other schools (Brown, for example), claim BU as an acronym.

Plus, you skipped over my comments regarding the South Park episode on Mormonism, which if you haven't seen... is amazingly funny.

Then again, I'm against everything Jesus, Christian or not... so I'm biased in my opinions, but not incorrect in my facts.

At the same time.... Mal, please stop flamebaiting people. This is the 2nd thread in the past week that I've seen you involved (and you did the bruntwork in starting this one) in a flame. This one just hasn't gotten out of hand yet, nor would I like to see it happen.

Lastly, Skooter... would you care to place a wager on the world ending in 2012? Heck, I'll give you a flat 10 years. Lay you 100-1 odds. Then again, if you're right, we both lose. So its a pretty good win-win situation for me. Not to mention, 99.999% of the world understands this little thing called SCIENCE, and ignores crackpot reasonings like predictions, Nostradamus, and crazy races of people who have been extinct for 500 years. I'd be willing to bet my prediction of the world ending on the 43rd day of whatever month I made up in some random year in the 7th ERA is much more accurate than 7 years from now.

[-Skooter-]

Tass, I was not bashing your opinion, simply stating the reason that Utah is in fact over flowing with Mormons. You're right, it is Brigham YOUNG University, however, I didn't care enough to type it out.

As for the Jesus thing, I don't go to Church either because I too do not believe in "Higher life-forms" such as God.

Southpark- nope, haven't seen that episode. Will watch if you can give me a place that I can find it.

I would wager that I'm right, because I believe fully, and am too biased about my opinions. I'm stern in what I believe in and this just happens to be one of those things... So yes, wager away.

As for you Mal, shut the fuck up. You have no idea what you're talking about. I do not think, or even expect for all of your statements to be "cracks upon my beliefs" I get upset with you because you're ignorant and inconsiderate, and most of the time, wrong and superficial. You judge and preach about things that you have absolutely no idea about. I find that ignorant, and I'm not afraid to tell you so.


I've said it before and I'll tell you again, if you can't handle it, than you don't belong in Critical Thinking, this is in fact a place where I'm allowed to be opinionated, bias about those opinions, and even mean when I feel necc. It's a forums, you're not forced to be here.

[MalReynolds]

I just want to repeat:

All I asked was about the origin of polygamy. I didn't say I believed it, because my friend way prone to lying. That's all. He could have been a Christian trying to tell me about the origins of polygamy, and it would have been the same disbelief. I haven't gotten a straight answer to my question at all, which was just an inquiry.

I don't know why I'm being accused of shitting on your opinions or beliefs, because I just wanted one answer. One simple answer to a question that I wanted help with, and all I've gotten was yelled at, people telling me what I know is horseshit? This agression man... It will not stand.

Skooter: Please, get off of my case. I'm not preaching anything right now, and when I do preach, I'm not forcing you to listen. If this is about the suicide thread, I quit that for a reason. Because I know I wasn't going to change minds and I looked at all sides of the arguement. It just seems like you have a problem with me personally and not my question. In such a case, tell me off in a PM instead of ridiculing me on the forums. Thanks.

Anyone: Please answer my original question about the origins of polygamy? I'm genuinley curious, but all I'm getting is yelled at.

Mal

[stretchypanda]

Also, why would we trust a culture that existed hundreds of hundreds of years ago that didn't have advanced technologies (i know that's a little arrogant, but the point still stands). I know that they have been the most acculrate culture to predict astronomical occurances, but if they saw/prdeicted something that we still haven't deduced, either the mayans were on a much higher level than us, or they were actually wrong. There could be a million different things that could end the world, but for a culture to predict it that far away, is extremely improbable.

Ancient cultures have left behind enough to let us know that they were pretty technologically savvy. No, they didn't have high-powered computers, but they worked with what they did have. Not that this statement contributes anything to the discussion.. I just wanted to clarify.

[jewpinthethird]

Also, why would we trust a culture that existed hundreds of hundreds of years ago that didn't have advanced technologies (i know that's a little arrogant, but the point still stands). I know that they have been the most acculrate culture to predict astronomical occurances, but if they saw/prdeicted something that we still haven't deduced, either the mayans were on a much higher level than us, or they were actually wrong. There could be a million different things that could end the world, but for a culture to predict it that far away, is extremely improbable.

Ancient cultures have left behind enough to let us know that they were pretty technologically savvy. No, they didn't have high-powered computers, but they worked with what they did have. Not that this statement contributes anything to the discussion.. I just wanted to clarify.

Oh come on. Everyone knows intellegent-beings from distant galaxies came to Earth to help jump start mankind's evolution.

[Tasselfoot]

So that is what led to the downfall of the Romans..... it all makes sense now.

[Vamps]

(i know this is off topic..but..) No1's flamebaiting anywhere...people are just reading other people's posts wrong...or taking them the wrong way.
Anyways...
Im curious as to the origins of poligamy too. There are a few religions/cultures that either practiced it in the past or are still practicing it today. I haven't looked into it, but im sure someone will end up telling me one day.
As for mormans being the richest simply because they put 10% of their wage into the collection each week, I am in no way morman, my denomination is Congregational, a small, not very common denomination, but we also put at least 10% of our wages in the plate...and we are encouraged to put more in!
As for the world ending in 7 years, it is all together possible, even from the point of view of someone who believes in what the bible tells us about the end of the world. There are so many signs of the end times emerging its not funny. Eg. The talk of a single currency for the whole world, the talk of everyone getting a barcode tatooed or a chip implanted in their body that will take away the need for all the id you will ever own, the slow merging of the world into one country....(this is in no way ment as an insult to asians...i have nothing against them....i am friends with a group of them)...but Asians appear to be slowly taking over the world...Australia is soon to become Australasia....some form of Asian is the 2nd most common language found in Sydney....and is on almost every shop sign!
These are all signs of the end time according to the bible...but there are still a few more prophecies to be fulfilled before the 2nd coming.

*Note: Im not trying to get anyone to believe in what im saying....or believe in the bible...im just voicing my opinions...please dont flame me for being Christian.

[esupin]

I had no idea Australia had a large Asian population. Hispanics are the largest growing minorities in the US. Either way, it pays to be bilingual(literally).

As for the origin of polygamy,

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0941214796/ref=sib_dp_bod_ex/002-2261226-8928063?%5Fencoding=UTF8&p=S003#reader-page

go to the 3rd page, 2nd paragraph.

[JurseyRider734]

Jehova's Witnesses Stuff

Well this is off topic now...so I thought i'd share with you a little booklet I got today when some Jehova's Witnesses stopped by our house. First time ever.

WILL THIS WORLD SURVIVE?

No other generation has heard so much talk about the end of the world. Many fear that the world will end in a nuclear holocaust. Others think that pollution may destroy the world. Still others worry that an economic chaos will set masses of humanity against one another.

Could this world really end? If it did, what would it mean? Has a world ever ended before?

A World Ends--Another Replaces It
Yes, a world did end. Consider the world that became very wicked in the days of Noah. The Bible explains: "The world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water." The Bible also says: "[God] did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people."--2 Peter 2:5, 3:6.

Note what the end of the world meant and what it did not mean. It did not mean the end of humankind. Noah and his family survived the global Flood. So did the planet Earth and the beautiful starry heavens. It was "a world of ungodly people" that perished, a wicked system of things.

Eventually, as Noah's offspring increased, another world developed. That second world, or system of things, has existed down to our day. Its history has been filled with war, crime, and violence. What will happen to this world? Will it survive?

The Future of This World
After saying the world in Noah's day suffered destruction, the Bible account continues: "By the same word the heavens and the earth that are now stored up for fire." (2 Peter 3:7) Indeed, as another Bible writer explains: "The world [the one existing today] is passing away."--John 2:17.

The Bible does not mean that the literal earth or the starry heavens will pass away,even as these did not pass away in Noah's day. (Psalm 104:5) Rather, this world, with it's "heavens," or governmental rulers under the influence of Satan, and it's "earth," or human society, will be destroyed as if by fire. (John 14:30; 2 Corinthians 4:4) This world, or system of things, will perish just as surely as did the world before the Flood. Even Jesus Christ spoke about the situation in "the days of Noah" as an example of what would happen just prior to the end of the world.--Matthew 24:37-39.

Significantly, when Jesus spoke of the days of Noah, it was in answer to his apostles' question: "What shall be the sign of thy coming, and the end of the world?" (Matthew 24:3, King James Version) Jesus' followers knew that this world would end. Did this prospect frighten them?

On the contrary, when Jesus described events that would occur prior to the world's end, he encouraged them to rejoice 'because their deliverance was getting near.' (Luke 21:28) Yes, deliverance from Satan and his wicked system of things into a peaceful new world!--2 Peter 3:13.

But when will this world end? What "sign" did Jesus give of his "coming, and of the end of the world"?

"The Sign"
The Greek word here translated "coming" is pa·rou·si'a, and it means "presence," that is, actually being on hand.

So when "the sign" is seen, it would not mean Christ was soon to come but that he had already returned and was present. It would mean that he had begun ruling invisibly as a heavenly king and that he would soon bring an end to his enemies.--Revelation 12:7-12; Psalm 110:1, 2.

Jesus did not give just one event as "the sign." He described many world evens and situations. All of these would take place during the time that the Bible writers called "the last days." (2 Timothy 3:1-5, 2 Peter 3:3, 4) Consider some of the things that Jesus foretold would mark "the last days."

"Nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom." (Matthew 24:7) War in modern times has been of greater magnitude than ever before. One historian noted: "The First World War [beginning in 1914] was the first 'total' war." Yet, the second world war was much more destructive. And war continues to ravage the earth. Yes, Jesus' words have undergone fulfillment in a dramatic way!

"There will befood shortages." (Matthew 24:7) Following World War I came perhaps the greatest famine in all history. Terrible famine also followed World War II. A scourge of malnutritionaffects up to one fifth of earth's population, killing some 14 million children every year. Truly, there havebeen "food shortages"!

"There will be great earthquakes." (Luke 21:11) On the average, about ten times as many have died each year from earthquakes since 1914 as in previous centuries. Consider only a few major ones: 1920, China, 200,000 killed; 1923, Japan, 99,300 casualties; 1939, Turkey, 32,700 fatalities; 1970, Peru, 66,800 killed; and 1976, China, about 240,000 (or, according to some sources, 800,000) casualties. Surely, "great earthquakes"!

"In one place after another pestilences." (Luke 21:11) Right after World War I, some 21 million people died of the Spanish flu. Science Digest reported: "In all history there had been no sterner, swifter visitation of death." Since then, heart disease, cancer, AIDS, and many other plagues have killed hundreds of millions. [Me: SARS!]

"Increasing of lawlessness." (Matthew 24:12) Our world since 1914 has become known as one of crime and violence. In many places no one feels safe on the streets even during the daytime. At night people stay in t heir homes behind locked and barricaded doors, afraid to go outside.

Many other things were foretold to occur during the last days, and all of these also are being fulfilled. This means the end of the world is near. But, happily, there will be survivors. After saying "the world is passing away," the Bible promises: "He that does the will of God remains forever."--John 2:17.

So we need to learn God's will and do it. Then we can survive this world's end to enjoy eternally the blessings of God's new world. The Bible promises that at that time: "God...will wipe out every tear from [people's] eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore."--Revelation 21:3, 4.

© Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. All rights reserved.


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I really hope this isn't on some website where I could have copied and pasted it instead of sitting here typing for 45 minutes, but I thought it was appropriate.

So basically, they're trying to scare us into being super-religious with the end of the world threats, or so it seems that way to me. It's kind of scary though, I have to admit.

Discuss.

[MalReynolds]

RE: Jehova

Ah... Esupin, thanks. That makes a lot sense, actually.

Mal

And Eva, that was a good read.

[Tasselfoot]

RE: Jehova

First thing that popped into my head: Why quote Peter 2 on Noah instead of quoting Genesis 6, or whatever verse it is in Genesis that is about Noah. Its right in the beginning... around 4-7 or so. That doesn't make sense to me. When the "bible" (old, instead of the new testiment) has its "account" of Noah's happenings, that surely is more accurate and a more reliable source, right? So why quote something that was written a thousand+ years later? (I believe most of the New was written between 200-500 AD, while the Old, specifically the 5 books were 1000-2000 years BC).

[falconsfan14]

I dont believe any of this end of the world crap. They said Y2K was the end of the world, its 2005. When im 22 years old, it will be 2013 and they will be wrong AGAIN. Anyway, even if it does end, o well, we should be greatful for the time we have been givin. GG

[stretchypanda]

The Bible mentions several instances of polygamy. Solomon, the wisest man ever, had 300 wives and 700 concubines, which, according to my Christian Scriptures prof, is just a drawn out way of saying he had a thousand wives.