What Happens?

[jcj64200031]

From The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed at the next zebra crossing.

[Moogy]

ps

knock knock

who's there

it's jesus LOL

[Austaph]

For your information, not only did i say nothing of the sort, i also have read the bible more than once

Then why are you getting so defensive? I wasn't referring to you, and it sounds like you're simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with what I said.

[Sera13]

For your information, not only did i say nothing of the sort, i also have read the bible more than once

Then why are you getting so defensive? I wasn't referring to you, and it sounds like you're simultaneously agreeing and disagreeing with what I said.

yeah, im a defensive person, im sorry i must appologize, however you are correct i do agree and disagree with you but thats only simply becuase my train of beliefs are very..out there.

[msbrunnettemickey]

Just for a quick start..

I am Jewish, and i have studied this for a long time.
Read the old testament, also had 4 amazing years, in an amazing school in Israel, just to study about Science, the Jewish religion, and language.

This is what i got from science,
God created the Earth, created the galaxy, but the big question on my mind right now, did God create hell? Or am i missing something?

If God did, then he can destroy it.

What i got from the Old Testament,
People who:
Don't respect their parents
Are jealous of things others have
Suicide
Kill
Cheat on a wife
Steal
And probably more.. might end up in hell.

Why am i typing this up? This might lead into a good answer.

Now, what would happen if God destroys Hell...

WHO KNOWS!?

Lots of things can happen,
1. All souls that were sent there, would vanish.
2. Souls might climb to Heaven (Har har)
3. There would be no place for "bad" souls to go to.
4. There is going to be... a big problem.. CHAOS.


The next generations (souls), who were suppose to enter the Earth yet again, would not be able to.


There was once a scientist, with blonde hair, and green eyes.
She always talked about the Devil.
And this is where came logic,

At night
I could feel the hunger
and emptiness
darkness
of the five o'clock shadow
over those blue eyes.
The great painting sitting on the wall,
gives a great chill of the dark
spots
in the closet and thinking about the evil spirit
next to the window
as it transforms into an angel.
Why do they bring bad dreams on my
brown hair?
In the great mind that no one found yet.
I am the scientist of tomorrow.
Blond hair, green eyes
singing goodbye to her children a
century before.
Why does she insist on talking about
the devil?
That is he who brought us bad.
Keeps the bad.
Else we should discuss about God,
creature of all Earth sea.
Numbers, wind,
and water
adds up the upcoming future.
The galaxy unknown!
made for only those who could explore!
Wishing there was a way to move and make a
difference.
So those who revolve around us wouldn't pick out
their stuff and die, fade out
away from life, away from
Logic.

Candle in the Face of an Angel

He is scared
moving against the angel's
wings
and breathing the air
it's so sweet
he shifts and looks
the whipping people down below
are waiting for him to answer their
prayers
why did he have to go
to this sweet place
and leave his poor family
for the great sadness
of the loss
shattered
they are
he can see they cant hold much longer
perhaps he should write
and send them the great
letter of life
he was scared then
he always was scared
scared of everything
and nothing.
As he gets a hold
on the angels hand
he tries to reach his mothers
great black
hair
his sisters wide smile
and his dads agony and suffer
roaring through his face
a tear, and another
he cant hold much longer
this place is his new soul's life
get used to it
he must
trying to chase his poor lost family,
trying to run in front of them
to make them see him.
Nothing
he stepped on the cold milk
that spilled in the morning
nothing
he doesn't realize how much fear
motivates him
he wonders if
anyone realizes

It's probably weird, but it helps to open up your mind.

This was fun =)

[Sera13]

Michelle also has a diffrent out look on religion than the standard christian religion i believe this thread was based upon. i also do not recall God ever creating Hell.. however, i guess thats another thing that has just been assumed. I could be wrong, and dont quote me on it, But i dont think god created hell. If god had created a hell, He in theory could easily destory it, but more often than not a creation of such a sort can be taken out of control making it more difficult to destory. However. if hell was destoryed i believe that the bad souls that were supposed to be trapped in hell would be trapped in a wierd twilight zone type of deal. But thats just my theory on it.

[chickendude]

One day, thousands of billions of years ago, something incredible, probably the world's biggest coincidence happened: The Big Bang.

well technically you are way off
it was only like 14-20 billion years ago

and it wasnt just like one day
because, there was no time before it, so its more like

at the beginning of time, 14 to 20 billions of years ago, something incredible happened, the universe's only possible coincidence at the time happened: The Big Bang


just like to clear that up <_<

[evilbutterfly]

RE: Re: Uh...

If you've read Genesis, it says nothing of Hell or Satan

1) He is mentioned, just not called Satan. The serpent tempts Eve. The serpent is a common symbol to signify Satan. Also, he is seen many times later in the Bible, tempting various people.
2) Just because he's not mentioned in Genesis doesn't mean he doesn't exist. He is mentioned in many other places, new testament AND old.

Speaking of Satan, I just found something interesting. In Job 1:6, Satan goes up to Heaven and talks to God, and God is basically like "Wtf why are you here?!" and Satan's like "Just taking a break from tormenting your stupid humans and turning them evil!" So God challenges him like "Well what about Job, that man is awesome. He wouldn't turn bad." So Satan is like "Aight, I'ma fuck him up." I just found it funny that Satan goes up to Heaven randomly and chats with God. I thought that only happened in South Park... o_O

I can't quickly find mention of Hell in the Bible, because I'm slow, but I did see it hinted at off-handedly in the Old Testament, which I found odd (I mean, Jews go by the old and they don't believe in Hell, right?). Some guy said that after some prophet comes in the end days that the dead would rise up, and some would go on to eternal life while others would go on to eternal suffering.

Personally, I have fun with this stuff. I'd like to find where the prophecy of the mesiah is told and compare it with the actual accounts of Jesus, just to see. I wish there was an easier and faster way to access all the biblical stuff so I could see it all and compare everything and...aaaaaah!

[Moogy]

RE: Re: Uh...

I'm sure there's some online reference for that crap.

Indeed, a quick search on Google returns this site: http://www.biblegateway.com/

The thing I don't understand is how anyone can buy that crap. It's all so obviously made up.

[Austaph]

RE: Re: Uh...

1) He is mentioned, just not called Satan. The serpent tempts Eve. The serpent is a common symbol to signify Satan. Also, he is seen many times later in the Bible, tempting various people.

Actually, no. The serpent itself is the archetype for temptation, whereas God then forced it to forever crawl on its belly. As far as I know, Satan was the anthropomorphic representation of the king of the earth, ie: Lucifer the light-bringer, Prometheus who bestowed the light/fire of the Gods on humanity, chained to stone forever, etc. There is no day when God created Hell and Satan; sorry to disappoint.

2) Just because he's not mentioned in Genesis doesn't mean he doesn't exist. He is mentioned in many other places, new testament AND old.

The Old Testament mention a lot of stuff about damnation, sin, and torment, but the implications of which are nowhere near God forsaking man. The New Testament is just the gospel of Jesus according to the apostles. Anything in there is of historical and personal, not theological value.

God doesn't spend a week creating all things, only to later toss in Hell for effect. And don't use the word "exist," or you'll invoke a tangled debate of such epic proportions that this thread will descend to a mere flamewar.

The thing I don't understand is how anyone can buy that crap. It's all so obviously made up.

I second that. This stuff is only good as a postulate for weird questions like "What if God destroyed Hell?" It's all bullshit and has failed the test of time. Followers cling to it even though its substance and purpose is gone. The only reason the Catholic religion has survived the past 500 years is because its allowed to use God as a "we can't explain this, so it must be God" crutch. ie: the first, uncaused cause, the unmanifest and unnamed, the aim of perfection; stupid idealistic shit that has no value outside of dead-end debate.

Some people need to learn to cope with the fact that some questions have no answers, and simply get on with their lives.

[jcj64200031]

RE: Re: Uh...

Heaven and hell is the balance between good and evil. If either was destroyed, chaos would break loose. If hell was destroyed, all of the souls in hell would be realeased upon earth, and if someone who dies and was supposed to go to hell couldnt because hell doesnt exist, they would be stuck on earth. Eventually this would cause the apocalypse. (aka. george bush... jk)

[msbrunnettemickey]

Re: RE: Re: Uh...

Heaven and hell is the balance between good and evil. If either was destroyed, chaos would break loose. If hell was destroyed, all of the souls in hell would be realeased upon earth, and if someone who dies and was supposed to go to hell couldnt because hell doesnt exist, they would be stuck on earth. Eventually this would cause the apocalypse. (aka. george bush... jk)

Got a point there.
What we all might know, is there WOULD actually be chaos, but...

What happens if ONLY Hell gets destroyed.

Those who were suppose to be sent to Hell, get stuck on life?
Or their souls travel to a new wicked place.

I don't think Heaven can be destroyed.
Nor Hell. If there is such a thing as Hell.

But this question popped in my mind now...
Why don't we actually remember anything?
I mean, before we were brought to Earth, we were something/someone else, in something/someone's body.

If our past life past away, why can't we remember where we actually rested?

Can't remember Hell/Heaven =/

Damnit, can't remember the afterlife.

[Austaph]

RE: Re: RE: Re: Uh...

You guys watch too many movies.

[Lightknight924]

RE: Re: RE: Re: Uh...

I read the Revelations in the Bible, it was very interesting, it made me understand a lot about my religion. But it was all mostly symbolic. But if you have a Bible, and haven't yet read the Revelations then you should. It's long, but worth it.

[stlunatic0124]

Re: RE: What Happens?

What happens if none of the characters in your story exist?

~Squeek

amen.